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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Jeff, I have seen your posts about anti-Catholicism. They are rare.

Let's be very clear. The discussion about concubines started on page 2 of the "tell me about Islam" thread when Muslima stated baldly that "Islam offers asylum to captives." We both know that's not true, either in scripture or in present-day practice in some areas controlled by Muslims.

Do you really think that patently untrue statement should be allowed to go unchallenged? Yes, the discussion has taken quite a few twists and turns in the last three threads, but we always come back to that issue, which was raised by Muslina herself.

Similarly, the OP of this very thread is misleading. It almost appears deliberately misleading. Do you really think the other PP (not me) should have left that unchallenged?

Do you think the claim about converts vs. immigrants should have gone unchallenged? It took maybe 10 surreal pages to nail that one down--do you think nobody should have bothered to challenge it?

Do think the effort to distort your own statement about racism should have gone unchallenged?

If you're OK with this site being a place where anti-Catholic bigots can run (almost) free and where the only people who get challenged and intimidated are the ones who question misleading statements, then I really have nothing more to say.

But could I suggest that Muslima and the other poster listen to you. I think we all want them to present their religion in a positive, but open and truthful, light. You're in a position to encourage then to do so, and that doesn't start by enabling their bad behavior, instead it starts by encouraging free debate.[/quote]

I have no idea whether you are the same poster I addressed previously, but you really seem to be missing the forrest for the trees. Whether "Islam offers asylum to captives" is hardly on the same level as "Islam is brutal and all Muslims embrace the brutality". I don't really care if you disagree with the first. I would never post a response to such a disagreement. But, if you argue the second, you should not be surprised that respond. I don't think that I should have to object to every post criticizing Catholicism in order to be able to lodge my objection to the claim that all Muslims embrace brutality.

Similarly, I think the issue of concubines is practically a non-issue. Concubines have existed in all Western religions. All of these religions have evolved in how they dealt with the issue. I don't think the OP should have posted this thread because it gives the issue of concubines far more attention than it deserves. I don't have have a problem with anyone arguing about Islam's position regarding concubines, but only when Islam is singled out as if it were worse than other religions. I was particularly bothered when concubines were used as a justification for the alleged brutality of Islam that all Muslims were said to embrace.

I absolutely don't care whether there are more converts versus immigrants. I can't believe you guys are wasting your time arguing the point. Really, it doesn't make a spit's worth of difference to the religion.

You are really being unfair -- and unfairness suggests a certain lack of integrity -- when you suggest that I allow rampant anti-Catholic bigotry but object to any "correction of misleading statements" regarding Islam. That is not what I am doing here. Suggesting such a thing is not conducive to reasoned debate.

But, I'm surprised that you posted such a comprehensive response without once addressing my primary complaints: that multiple posters claimed that Islam is brutal and all Muslims embrace that brutality; and that the poster to whom I responded clearly stated that his/her goal was to counter the positive view of Islam by providing a negative view.

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