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JSteele 9/6/2104

“[b]I haven't read the entire other thread[/b], just enough to know that I didn't want to waste my time reading it, but as far as I know, many Muslims in America are African American. However, I don't know how many are "converts" as opposed to those born into the religion. I believe conversion was much more common during the 1960s, but I haven't seen any data on this. [b]I don't know how any discussion of the topic would be considered racist unless [/b]that was being argued in order to somehow tarnish the religion (eg. "it's only a religion for black people which means it's inferior" and [b]I don't thing that was happening).[/b]”
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Fixed it for you, by moving the bolding to where Jeff says he [b]"doesn't think"[/b] the converts' race was being used in order to somehow tarnish the religion.

Look, we are concerned about bias in your presentation. We are concerned that you appear to be claiming your views are the "only" truth. Yet, your views are very often out of step not only with the Quran, but you are also out of step with many eminent Muslim scholars, and you are also out of step with practice of millions of Muslims today. You are of course entitled to your personal interpretation of Islam. However, why is it "Islamophobia" or "tarnishing Islam" simply to point out that your views diverge from Muslim scholars and from widespread practice in Islamic countries today?

We don't know the reason why you're presenting a very one-sided view of Islam: maybe you're trying to convert people, or maybe this really how you're comfortable with your religion. Whatever the reason, another PP called your explanations "rose tinted." Having taken college-level courses in Islam (from a guy who went on to run the American University in Lebanon) and knowing many Muslims, I have to say that I agree completely that your views are "rose-tinted."

Think of it this way: The eminent Islamic scholars you denigrate would probably be GRATEFUL to have their views presented here as AUTHENTIC Islam. The millions of Muslims who practice a different Islam from yours would probably be GRATEFUL to have their practices added to this conversation as widely practiced and AUTHENTIC Islam. Yes, of course your version of Islam is perfectly authentic too. But every time you refuse to include these widely held alternative views in your arguments; every time you wait for somebody else to point out that these other widely held views do exist; and, every time you attack somebody else as "Islamophobic" for pointing out that these widely held views are held by millions of other Muslims, [b]YOU [/b]are the one who is actually DENIGRATING Muslim scholars and millions of other Muslims. [/quote]

Nope. There was no denigration. There was simply clarification to you that the scholars you refer to are from regions of the world where tribal culture is still pervasive. Every Muslim organization condemned ISIS yet the beheadings continue. ISIS justifies itself and I am sure they can find scholars somewhere out there to support them. That doesn't make their actions legitimate. Stoning still exists for adultery and some Muslims will be quick to pull put some hadith. But it directly goes against the Quran which never mentions stoning. So of course there are those that have a harsher perspective but its often not backed up by the Quran, which is the ONLY true word of Allah.

When you are trying to determine if a scholar is correct or if a hadith is correct the best thing you can do is look for validation in the Quran.   [/quote]

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