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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]
Because Islam does not work that way. You either accept Islam or you reject it. There is no half way. You either embrace the barbarism, or you are not a Muslim.[/quote]

This is BS. If you believe that embracing barbarism is necessary to being a Muslim, you really do deserve to be described with some of the negative terms being discussed in this thread.

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Barbarism is a value judgment. But the PP is correct in a sense that calling yourself a follower of a particular religion means you embrace it in toto, both beautiful as well as unlovely bits. If some of it appears barbaric to the outsiders, well, OK. [/quote]

Then all Christians should be expected to embrace the barbarism committed by such groups as the Lord's Resistance Army, abortion clinic bombers, and the Christian Identity Movement? Do mainstream Christians embrace the hate of the Jonesboro Baptists?

Your statement is actually ludicrous. Most members of a religion cannot even agree on what the religion itself embraces, let alone embrace all of it. If there were one true Judaism, why would there be Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, etc. Is a reform Jew embracing every practice of a Hassid?

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In this case you are conflating the actions of followers with the founder of the Religion himself.  Muhammad himself owned "concubines" aka sex slaves [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_al-Qibtiyya[/url], Muhammad himself handed out the women of defeated enemies as war booty to his soldiers (and himself) [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safiyya_bint_Huyayy[/url]. Are Muslims supposed to denounce the actions of their prophet as barbaric? Whatever your opinion, the fact remains that they do not. IS and Boko Haram are simply emulating the actions of Muhammad himself.[/quote]

All you are illustrating is that Muhammad followed practices that were accepted at the time and also not unknown by figures central to other religions. As a person who is not religious, I have no objection to saying that by today's standards, Muhammad was wrong. But, today's standards are not equally applied to past practices or teachings of other religions. Singling out Islam in such a manner is discriminatory and the motives of those who do it can be justifiably questioned.

For your argument to have any standing, the practice of owning concubines would need to be practically the rule among Muslims rather than limited to extremist groups. When a practice is limited to extremists, it is by definition not part of the generally accepted practice of the religion.

I really don't know what you expect from the average Muslim. Very few would agree that taking concubines is acceptable. Is your intent to demonstrate to them that they are not properly following their religion? Do you want them to suddenly agree with your that Islam is barbaric and stop being Muslims? Do you not understand how insulting your approach is to most people -- Muslim or otherwise? 
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