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[quote=Muslima][quote]20:44 here. I seem to have offended you, and for that I'm sorry.

However, you repeatedly make glowing claims without providing the full picture. On this thread, you've made claims such as, "Islam offers asylum to prisoners of war" or "Islam offers inheritance rights to women."[/quote]

I am not offended & I am also not the poster who was talking about inheritance rights of women ect.

[quote]I think it's important that people have full information so they can make informed decisions. Readers need to understand that "asylum" can mean "slavery for non-Muslims" and "rape for non-Muslim women." They also need to understand that "giving women inheritance rights" means "women get 1/2 the share that men get." And that these are rules are in the Quran, so they are for all time.[/quote]

This is false.  I already explained why women get 1/2 of inheritance, if that doesn't satisfy you well I can't help. As a Muslim woman I am fully satisfied and btw just so you know since you keep repeating women get half , women getting half is not true across the board. In some cases t men and women take an equal sum of inheritance, like for instance the father and the mother of the deceased take an equal amount of inheritance. About your 2nd point, false again..Islam forbids rape in all cases as it is a major sin in the category of adultery. The Quran says:

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Whoever among you cannot find the means to marry free, believing women, then he may marry from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls, and Allah is most knowing about your faith. You believers are of one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation according to what is acceptable. They should be chaste, neither of those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly nor those who take secret lovers - Surah An-Nisa 4:25[/quote] This passage lays down in an unequivocal manner that sexual relations with female slaves are permitted only on the basis of marriage, and that in this respect there is no difference between them and free women.

And:
[quote] let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 24:33)"
[/quote]

And:

[quote] Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:  "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your slaves to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)"  (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"[/quote]
Bottom line is; Outside of Islam, slaves were treated like slaves, they were beaten, tortured, insulted and worked beyond their capacity - with no chance of freedom. When Islam came, it liberated slaves, it gave them rights, and slowly but surely opened a way to abolish slavery. It did the best it could given the circumstance it was revealed to mankind. There came a period during the 3rd Caliphate where slavery was surely looking to end, however it's unfortunate that the greed of people got the better of them, and they continue'd the practice which no doubt was to end, had people followed the teachings of Islam.

Islam is the only religion or way of life, that attacked the practice of Slavery in the heart. While people of other nations were readily engaging in Slavery, Islam came about and waged war upon it.

"Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and [b]for freeing slaves[/b]; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous. - [Quran 2:177]

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Perhaps we can agree for future discourse:
1. When you make a statement like "Islam gives asylum" you will provide a full and honest picture.
2. I will try to be more neutral in my explanations. If you provide a full and honest picture, I won't need to say anything!
That way, readers can make up their own minds based on full information. Which, if I read your post of 1:38 correctly, you also want[/quote]

Feel free to chime in whenever you want. I do not have anything to hide, Islam doesn't have anything to hide, really the Quran is an open book available for anyone interested. I back up everything that I say with the Quran and the sunnah. Yes, I  am  a Muslim but I also study Islam academically. The danger with posts like yours is  that verses are torn out of context to prove some particular juristical opinion or notion that you want to affirm.  Contextualization gives to countless verses a construction different from the one usually placed on them; it throws new light not only on the doctrinal and creedal aspects of the Quranic message but also on the methodological aspects of the messagE,  it lends new significance not only to the moral and legal injunctions of the Quran but also to the stories and parables narrated by the Quran. It is indeed a great irony that all heresies have been claimed by their propounders to have their basis in the Quran. And if these heresies looked plausible to many, it was because the context of the verses constituting the so-called 'basis in the Quran' was not properly understood. This Book is not like a magazine, article, or blog. You can’t skim through the Quran to get its treasure![/quote]

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