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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Naviance and talking to your student's guidance counselor can yield the best information.  That said, the top top colleges are a crap shoot unless you have a hook (won state science fair, nationally top ten ranked in his/her sport, grandfather just gave $2M, won a Nobel or Pulitzer Prize, discovered a treatment for Ebola....).  It doesn't mean not to take the crap shoot if you think you may be one of the lucky ones, but make sure you have a backup.[/quote]

you forgot URM. the score gap between asian and black at a place like princeton is insane. A black kid with 2100 boards and decent grades will get into multiple top 10 schools. [/quote]

I was reading an analysis of this for UVA; being Black gives a massive boost; being Hispanic gives a significantly smaller advantage.  In another article the average Black student at UVA has a ~1050 on the SATs and the average white student had a ~1350.

Here:  http://www.nas.org/images/documents/report_affirmative_action_at_three_universities.pdf

Some interesting stats:

The odds ratio for blacks compared to whites at NCS is 13 to 1, but at UVA it is 106 to 1 and at William &Mary 267 to 1. In other words, at UVA the odds of a black student being admitted is more than 100 times the odds of admission of a white student with the same qualifications. The odds of admitting a black applicant at William & Mary is more than 250 times the odds of admitting an equally-qualified white applicant. The odds ratios for Asians at all three schools are less than one, meaning that Asians are less likely to be admitted than equally-qualified whites (the odds ratio for Asians at UVA is not statistically significant). The odds ratios for Hispanics are 2.8 and 1.9 at UVA and NCS, respectively, but less than one at W&M. [/quote]This is absurd.  By these stats, not just UVA but many colleges would be majority African American.  That certainly is not the case, and it's misleading to consistently suggest that black applicants get this 'massive boost' in admissions.

UCLA has a significant Asian admittance rating and, using your words, the odds are more than 100 times the odds of a qualified white or black student to be admitted. [/quote]

I don't follow your reasoning.  How would top colleges be majority AA?  Do you think there are a ton of Black students out there with high SAT scores?  The average SAT scores for Blacks in the US was about 860. And these aren't &quot;my&quot; stats or words; they came from the article supplied.  They were obtained using FOIA.  I think anyone who doesn't think that being Black gives you a big advantage in selective college admittance is being willfully obtuse.[/quote]If you think Black kids are getting into Ivy schools with inferior grades, scores, and aptitudes then it is you who is obtuse.   Do you really think places like Harvard would let anyone in who couldn't hold  their own academically regardless of color?

So concerned about the handful of qualified Black applicants being admitted while Asians and other foreign applicants have systematically snatched up far more seats than Blacks.

Where is the outrage?  [/quote]

I think these admittance figures are misleading.  I would bet that there are lots of white kids who reach for schools that they might not get into, but their African American counterparts probably don't do this as often.  Black kids often don't have the same family history of attendance at competitive institutions so they aren't getting encouraged to apply by their parents.  Instead, guidance counselors encourage top minority students to apply to places.[/quote]

But AA students with scores lower than the white kids &quot;reaching&quot; for schools are admitted at rates &gt;70% for a school like UVA.  55% of AA students at UVA with SAT's between 950-1050 got admitted, compared to 15% of white students.  75% are let in with scores between 1050-1150 vs. 20% for white students.  As an aside, I'm shocked that anybody is getting into UVA with SAT's in the 900s. I wonder how many are athletes?
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I don't think you understand the numbers.[/quote]

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