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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Since you don't have a soul. Is it ok to kill you like a bug or a mouse?[/quote]

Since I don't think you have a soul, is it ok for me to kill you like a big or a mouse?[/quote]

No my logic and beliefs hold that I have a soul and my God has described murder of a human as a sin .  If I were totally atheist I would logically conclude a mouse and human have equal universal value which is essentially nothing.[/quote]

So is the only thing that keeps you from killing other people the fact that your God said not to?

By what value structure are you equating a mouse and a person? [/quote]

The value structure of soulless entities all having equal value.

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So by your logic the soul is the only thing that gives an entity value?

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Yep. Without God and without souls ..logically , humans are no more valuable than cows , rocks , ants , fish or trees.  There could be many who feel differently but it would be based on the selfish survival mechanism and have no validity in any unbiased and logical reasoning and there would be no logical reason for any guilt associated with any act.[/quote]

I'd say that's flawed logic, at best. Humans are actually the entities most capable of those on Earth of creating concepts and artifacts that are unknown in nature and are dedicated to improving aspects of the world around them. People create connections with each other and have value to each other that is irrelevant to whether or not they have a soul.

Humans have created art, music, philosophy, tools and have made discoveries in math, physics, biology, etc.

Humans care for each other in an altruistic way that goes beyond selfish self interest and has nothing to do religion. People put themselves in harms way to search for and rescue lost hikers and children - and are not infrequently injured or die during the process. And yet, the next time it happens people volunteer and put themselves at risk, again.

Regardless of what you believe, humans - in and of themselves - create value in the universe and have value because of that.

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