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[quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous]Just be ause they say they deserve those thing does not mean that they are receiving them.

Any woman hidden away and imprisoned in a Saudi burka requiring family could say in a survey that women deserve normal basic freedoms.  It doesn't mean anything based on what she is required to do because of Islam and how it is practiced in that society.

The survey is really irrelevant when you look at the actual society.[/quote]

Well following your thought process,  the country is also irrelevant since they don't follow Islamic teachings.  On the Islamic Index which shows how a country's laws, economy and social values are in line with Islamic law Saudi Arabia came at the 91th place in the world,  so not a beacon of Islamic law.  Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic" state,  yes the majority is Muslim but they are not even close to being am Islamic state.[/quote]

Yes, you might say this but country after country, village afte village, iman after iman say that their countries, not just in the middle east but in Africa as well are following the teaches of Islam by killing infidels, imprisoning those who are other religions, restricting women from basic human rights, enforcing child brides, killing a young woman because she dared to fall in love, etc.

If many islamic countries, cities, towns, villages, tribes and clergy say that their way is what Islam teaches and requires, why should other not believe them? Actions speak just as loud as words.

You are picking and choosing just as much as they are picking and choosing.

Don't get me wrong. I admire your efforts. It must be heartbreaking to see a large part of your society to present THAT as the mainstream of your faith.

If your beliefs and practices were actually a large and vocal majority as the face of your religion then you would be looking at a different response to what you are saying. Unfortunately though, your voice is not.  I don't fault you for trying.[/quote]

Regardless of what those leaders say,  the Muslims do not agree with them, nor do the, Muslims under their rules agree with them.  I think you can understand how dictators think.  I don't know if you read one of my earlier posts about this but I said that unfortunately they use religion in those areas to control and manipulate the masses. Look at all those regions, what do they have in common? Imperialism, colonialism, economic and political  issues.What you're saying is that the religion in itself is the root of all those evils. That's the point I can't agree with.  It's like you telling me the sky is purple, it doesn't matter how many times you say it,  It won't be a fact, so saying those teachings are part of Islam because some people say they are wont make a fact. Yes , I'm a Muslim but I also study Islam academically. Islamic Law is very clear, precise but with complexities and we have scholars who dedicated their entire life to it. Just like Mathematics, there are a set of Basic Rules & Regulations that a mufti (Scholar who gives fatwa) must comply with. Those rules and regulations are The Holy Qur'an and the Sahih Ahadith which  by any means cant  be changed and haven't been changed for 1400 years and are used by all muslims. If you needed legal advice today,  you wouldn't go ask Obama, you'd go to a lawyer. Just because someone says"this is an Islamic law" doesn't make it so. For me to agree with you,  it would mean I'd have to say for the past 1400 years,  all the scholars of Islam got it wrong, the only people who got it right are the  politicians/leaders of these Muslim countries you're talking about. There are literally millions upon millions of Muslims in this world who agree with me that the Quran champions justice, equity, liberty, peace, and compassion and these Muslims accept the Quran in its entirety, which guides them to exemplify peace, tolerance, pluralism, and justice.[b] Are we really going to believe that only the intolerant and dangerous Muslims accurately understand their faith, whereas the tolerant and peaceful Muslims do not?[/b] You want to judge Islam, do so but do it on its merit which is by the Quran and the example of the prophet Muhammad saw but not what Imam Google or Sheikh Wikipedia said.

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Your previous quote on a different thread:

"Well they have been rejected by all reputable Muslim scholars and Theologians. Their actions are against Islam so ya they might think of me as a kuffar but it doesn't make them right. Btw, I don't like the term moderate Muslim, it somehow implies that Islam is only acceptable when it is diluted and that Orthodox Islam is violent or extreme.[b] Muslims are just Muslims, some follow their religion, others don't. Same with all religions. There are practicing Christians and non practicing Christians. I wouldn't call them radical Christians or moderate Christians. [/b][b]The irony is Islam in itself is moderate so the term moderate Muslim is redundant.....[/b]"

This is an example of where it seems you pick and choose as you see fit.  Yet you say that others pick and choose to judge Islam as we see fit, instead of the 'correct' way.

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That quote was in reference to ISIS, the terrorrist group. All Muslim scholars have denounced their actions, that had nothing to do with picking and choosing. Obviously one can certainly look at a Terrorist group and say they do not represent the teachings of Islam, why is that so hard to comprehend?[/quote]

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