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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Just remember, as Bonhoffer said, "A God who let us prove His existence would be an idol."[/quote]

nice way to get an invisible god off the hook. Yet there are believers who take comfort in thinking that there were eyewitnesses to the crucifixion and Jesus's return from the dead.  Funny - no-one talks about the many others who supposedly came out of the grave when Jesus dies on the cross.  What happened to them?  did they keep walking around and go back to their old lives?  You'd think there'd be some witnesses to that.  Did they crawl back into their graves?  Given that there were so many of them, there could be evidence of quite a few stones overturned. Nothing -- no one's even looked for it.[/quote]

You think it's "letting an invisible god off the hook."  I think it's precisely what ensures that we have free will. Think about the alternative. If God showed up periodically to parade her existence, or to smite people each time someone behaved badly, then there would be no role for choice and free will in our actions. We'd simply be obedient robots. I don't believe God wants obedient robots any more than we'd find that a fulfilling existence. [/quote]

Free will is another way to get god off the hook -- plus God did used to show up quite a lot, in the Old testament and then again - big time- in the New Testament, with the son of God come to save us all.  He also promised to return, but hasn't made it back yet.  But people are waiting to see Jesus again, here on earth and in heaven.  In the meantime,  his earthly defenders are full of excuses for him.  [/quote]

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