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Except many gifted and talented programs don't use just IQ to prove gifted-ness. There's usually several tests like the non verbal assessments, cognitive assessments.

Go to the AAP forum of this board and tell me there aren't parents trying to game the students by having them do test prep, tested independently if they didn't like the kid's first results. The same thing is happening in NYC and probably all over the place.[/quote]

First of all, the AAP forum is irrelevant, because this is a DC thread, check the title: "[b]DC[/b] Public and Public Charter Schools" and AAP is meaningless in DC because there are no similar options available here in DC.  If you are talking about Fairfax or elsewhere, then why are you even posting here?  For our part, we're in, what, according to DCUM is a "well regarded, highly sought after" top DC school with a student who's in the top 5% of high performers there (who did test with high IQ, not that it ever got us anything because DC doesn't offer anything for G&T students) - and we know a lot of families of the other top performers there as well, and virtually none do much if any outside enrichment courses as you are trying to suggest - if anything at all, we (and most other families we know) just use some free online content like Khan Academy, we go to the library, we go to the museums, we let DC explore curiosities, and that's about it.  No expensive "prep", camps or outside classes.  Frankly, we can't afford it and would prefer to save for DC's eventual college.

Secondly, even if someone were to try and boost IQ scores through prep, or getting an independent test result, any gains would be minimal.  Even a gain of 10 points would be an unrealistic expectation.  Maybe Fairfax has some parents who are a little nuts like that but I hardly think what goes on in the AAP thread is any meaningful indication of anything other than that a handful of nutcase angst-filled posters exist on DCUM.  And, "trying to game the system" doesn't necessarily translate into "successfully gaming the system".  No amount of test prep will meaningfully boost little Johnny Average's IQ into the gifted range.

Thirdly, to what ends?  It ultimately just ends up putting the student on a more demanding and challenging path, with a lot more work and a lot higher expectations involved.  It's not as though you just get a medal for achievement, barriers are removed, a red carpet is unfurled, and somehow everything is suddenly magically better for the student.

And fourth, you didn't address the question - if low-SES families aren't even going to the library or museums or making use of the wealth of things they already have available to them, do you seriously think adding something more will somehow change anything?[/quote]

so if you are the topic police then why did you allow a topic about the new york city pubc schools

secondly the income divide means wealthy people can afford to hire tutors to prep their four year olds to pass a gifted test and take their kids to libraries and museums. [/quote]

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