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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What the Jews have done to everyone in the Middle East is unforgivable.  They have destabilized an entire region in one big land grab[/quote]

Jews didn't grab the land. While they did so later in Israel's history, initially, the UN gave the land to them.

The Nazis exterminated millions of Jews during WW II, but then when the war was over, many Jews who tried to go home were ordered to go away and/or murdered by members of their communities. As many of you know, this wasn't a new development. Jews have been discriminated against, and worse, for centuries. The UN's decision was motivated by a pragmatic understanding that Jews would continue to experience ill treatment because, despite vows and assertions to the contrary, the global community did not really learn the kind of meaningful lessons necessary to stop this abuse. The UN's decision to give Jews their own country represented an avoidant solution. As long as Jews had their own country, the global community didn't have to confront the root causes for the centuries-old discrimination. Sadly, the ongoing conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, and anti-Semitism's recent rise in Europe, suggests that avoidant solutions aren't always good solutions.[/quote]

The land that was given to the Jews was taken from the Palestinians. The land the Israelis continue to take is from the Palestinians.  That  UN sanctioned land grab created the destabilization of the Middle East and has resulted in the terrorism of today. You know like the Je wish terrorists that forced the UN to take Palestinian land for Israel  The avoidant solution may have had a better chance of success if the [b]Israelis had not decided to expand their original territories.[/b] You know the way the Germans did in the 1939s and 1940s.  [/quote]

Each of Israel's major "land grabs" have occurred [u]under provocation[/u]. They were attacked and were legitimately defending themselves. Very different from what went on in Germany in the 30s. It's a very biased and prejudiced reading to say otherwise. Now the current problems with the settlements...I would tend to agree that those fall more under the category of "land grab." However, the expansion of these communities often follow terrorist attacks on the part of Palestinians so it's hard to say that they're *completely* unjustified.  They definitely don't help the situation though, I agree with that.

As far as the creation of Israel, I don't know I'm kind of torn. I think it's too easy with hindsight to say "well they should have known this would happen." Is it really so unreasonable to expect people of different religions or ethnicities to be able to live together peacefully in the modern world? I mean, with hindsight, it obviously is but that is a very unfortunate conclusion to have to draw.[/quote]

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