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+1. (I was the banlieues/Fonseca poster.) Family socio-economic status and background have everything to do with performance on standardized tests. There is substantial research to document this. The xenophobic (warped view of US, denial of bad treatment of Roma and Arabs) European PP is turning a blind eye to institutionalized racism. [/quote]

"family background" = genes + behavioral norms. so, of course they correlate with standardized tests, duh. though, it is actually americans who are obsessed with tests of ability. most entrance exams in european colleges test knowledge, not smarts.[/quote]

So thanks, you concede the family background point. We can agree, contrary to your previous post, that family background (parents' ability to help with the Algebra homework, the number of words used at home) is key to the accumulation of knowledge (it's distinct from ability) and hence to a child's performance on tests of knowledge. It follows that arabs in the Paris ghettos face institutional barriers to passing these crucial tests that determine whether they will go to college. Thanks for acknowledging that.

Yet your latest twisty-turn is plain stupid:  The SAT, ACT and the APs are all tests of knowledge, not IQ. You need to stop posting, because you're very ignorant. [/quote]

Different PP here. You're taking things to absurd extremes. Yes, socioeconomic factors matter, as much as genetics. BUT, so does individual effort. AND, what matters in a meritocracy is how people actually perform, not all the potential historical/ social/ religious/ personal baggage they bring into the equation.

As shown before in this thread, this approach seems to lead to significantly higher social mobility in Europe than in the US. So, if you want to talk and talk, the American approach is indeed great. If you want to actually improve people's lives, especially for those at the bottom half, then the European approach seems to make more sense.[/quote]

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