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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If Banneker and SWW are the best in DC, then they should get higher then average test scores, even with poverty. We need a new, harder, magnet school.[/quote]

You don't make any sense.  The kids are poor and poverty matters.  [b]Are the kids just as smart as those in privates, absolutely. [/b] You can't make up 8 years of a lack of exposure in 4.  Start your school if you are so hung up on SAT scores.  You are the one getting left behind or wasting your money on privates when it's not necessary.

I have friends who went to Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech.  Those schools have resegregated, just as TJ has.  You favor scores instead of the whole child.  Remember, Asian countries do great in testing, but the US still has a stronger economy.  That means being successful is more important than scores.

Hell - home school.  Your kid can be incredibly bright.  I hope to God they go into the sciences b/c otherwise, they will be so damn odd, no one will want to hire them.[/quote]

PP here.
The points outlined are scattered and nonsensical as a group. I will respond to each one separately.
Even with poverty, given that these kids are DC's best, they should get test scores significantly higher then average. The measure for intelligence compared to TJ and Blair is test scores, and I never said a word about private schools. Charters cannot be started that are also magnet schools thanks to DC laws. I do not see how I am left behind in any way, and I never said anything about private schools. Resegregation is not a word, and electing based on knowledge has nothing to do with race, and implying that selecting by knowledge is selecting by race (which is what segregation legally means) is in itself racist.  In academics, test scores (which is how intelligence and retention of material are measured) are much more important then the whole child, which in my humble opinion is just a meaningless buzzword anyway. The "Hell - homeschool." comment makes absolutely zero sense, and I never said anything about home school. Personal attacks on children only serve to diminish your credibility, and are completely irrelevant to magnet schools in DC.  [/quote]

You are clearly not in education circles b/c you would know that resegregation is a word that is in fact used.  Poverty is a MAJOR factor in scores and that is not even up for debate.  It has already been proven.  When schools only look at scores, the schools RESEGREGATE.  They become all white.  This has been a debate across the country.  In academics, test scores are not more important than the whole child.  That is why people are pushing back on so called "reform".  If you want to only measure your child by test scores, then so be it.  Testing is also about exposure. Long ago, it was proven that the SAT was biased.  Many organizations are telling kids to take the ACT because it is a better measure of intelligence.

What I do know, is that Banneker is still sending kids to amazing schools.  That means that the great colleges are looking at more than test scores. Study up.  It's not that hard.  Go to the website "Not Waiting for Superman."  Read Diane Ravitch.  I've attacked home school kids because I said they were odd?  Fine.  They are odd.

You do what you need to do.  If your world is defined by your kid only going to a school where the test scores are extremely high, while you miss out on everything else.  So be it.  But, before you do, do a little research and talk to some education policy professionals first. [/quote]

Every objective measure tells us that the kids in public are not as smart as the kids in private.  And if the SAT is biased then the ACT must be as well because the exact same score disparities exist.  Bottom line is you can't have a school like TJ in DC because there simply aren't enough kids that can perform at that level for whatever reason.  Great colleges are looking for a diverse student body. The Banneker kids take advantage of this.[/quote]

Please tell me what "every objective measure" means?  I've never heard this.  And you must understand that I have one kid in DCPS and one kid in private.  Are the kids in private more exposed, probably.  Are they actually smarter?  No.  Actually, the same disparities don't exist for the SAT and the ACT.  I found this article about the SAT on Inside Higher Ed, "

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I've read those before.  The possible bias was slight, and was only on the verbal portion.  There have been other studies done that show no bias.  By objective measure I mean non-subjective tests.  I.e. SAT/ACT/MAP/DC-CAS etc etc.

If you honestly believe that the kids in the DCPS are as smart on average as the kids of doctors, lawyers and scientists that populate the DC private schools then I really don't know what to say.

And yes, these disparities exist on the ACT as well:

[img]http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/sites/www.intellectualtakeout.org/files/ACT%20Composite%20Race%20Ethnic.jpg[/img][/quote]

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