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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People who say they haven't been to China, it is actually ridiculously clean. And those who say Southeast Asia, have you been to Singapore? You get whipped for spitting out gum on the street.

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Longtime expat here, and China has changed so much in the past fifteen or so years.  We live in a nearby country and travel around Asia a lot, and the difference in what the "tier one" cities in China looked like back then, and their level of cleanliness and convenience, has changed radically.  I went to Shenzhen for a work thing a few weeks ago with a colleague who had never been to China, and she kept gushing about how clean and beautiful and modern Shenzhen is.  The first time I visited Shenzhen was fifteen years ago, and I stayed for a month back then: it was super polluted, and you could taste the air sometimes, with smoggy skies every day.  Now it is blue sky and clean, a big change from Chinese industrial grit to a modern innovation hub, just as they describe it now.  It looks more modern and clean than a lot of US cities.

There are still many very polluted cities in China, and their human rights record is terrible, but the tier one cities are completely transformed to shiny, clean, and modern places I would actually recommend visiting now.[/quote]

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