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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People like you OP do not hire for jobs like I do.  You could not be more run in terms of skills.  I hope and want and wish to fill my jobs with American talent from a culture and language/comms perspective.  However I have Russian, Indian, Chinese and ever more frequently Nigerian talent in engineering and software development to choose.  You think Americans are studying and getting skilled in engineering and you are wrong.  So. Totally. Wrong.  Culturally, Americans do best in finance, sales, business, law. They do not do math and tech.  Go to high schools and you'll see all the kids playing sports are Americans and all those playing an instrument are either American who have a strong tradition culturally in academic all around excellence or they are typically those with a foreign last name.  There's a tradition of studying math, science and STEM that's rooted in tradition v cultural oh I think that might be cool but maybe I'll go where the money is and it's easier attitude among most Americans.  Quite honestly the truth is Americans are rockstar sales people.  They are not rock star geeks :)

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Americans created the microchip, integrated circuits, the internet,, and the personal computer.[/quote]

Using foreign talent. It has been our secret sauce. Always. [/quote]

Wrong.  All of those were created by people born in America, who went through the American education system.  [/quote]

https://www.betaboom.com/magazine/article/american-immigrants-built-generation-defining-tech

Take a look at these. Foreign born American inventors have always been critical to American success. As far back as Nikola Tesla.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2023/01/12/highly-inventive-immigrants-also-make-natives-more-innovative/

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Hey troll/fake hiring manager. We are not talking about not allowing any foreign born people in the US.  We are discussing offshoring huge swaths of American industry at the expense of our young people who are also being saddled with educational debt, poor health care and everything else this country brings [/quote]

Sorry your kid got their CS degree at a grade-inflated degree-mill country club instead of an inexpensive school like the Indians did.

Overpriced US schools aren't immigrants' fault. [/quote]

I was involved in engineering licensure and degree accreditation for a number of years and can tell you your perceptions are off base.

Many of those Indian STEM degrees don't stack up - university programs in India are far more inconsistent than US STEM programs, which must meet ABET Accreditation standards.  Quality of Indian degree programs varies wildly and many are basically just run like degree mills.  Very few Indian programs can meet that same ABET standard (like some of the top tier IITs, IISc Bangalore, NIT Trichy, BITS Pilani - but the majority of other STEM programs in India do not), but they are trying to increase the number of schools that can meet US ABET standards.  A 2023 study found that only 45% of Indian STEM graduates are employable. Many graduate lacking critical skills.[/quote]

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