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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People like you OP do not hire for jobs like I do.  You could not be more run in terms of skills.  I hope and want and wish to fill my jobs with American talent from a culture and language/comms perspective.  However I have Russian, Indian, Chinese and ever more frequently Nigerian talent in engineering and software development to choose.  You think Americans are studying and getting skilled in engineering and you are wrong.  So. Totally. Wrong.  Culturally, Americans do best in finance, sales, business, law. They do not do math and tech.  Go to high schools and you'll see all the kids playing sports are Americans and all those playing an instrument are either American who have a strong tradition culturally in academic all around excellence or they are typically those with a foreign last name.  There's a tradition of studying math, science and STEM that's rooted in tradition v cultural oh I think that might be cool but maybe I'll go where the money is and it's easier attitude among most Americans.  Quite honestly the truth is Americans are rockstar sales people.  They are not rock star geeks :)

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Americans created the microchip, integrated circuits, the internet,, and the personal computer.[/quote]

Using foreign talent. It has been our secret sauce. Always. [/quote]

Wrong.  All of those were created by people born in America, who went through the American education system.  [/quote]

https://www.betaboom.com/magazine/article/american-immigrants-built-generation-defining-tech

Take a look at these. Foreign born American inventors have always been critical to American success. As far back as Nikola Tesla.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2023/01/12/highly-inventive-immigrants-also-make-natives-more-innovative/

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Sure, a few people.  Big whoop.  Your claim was we used foreign talent to invent the microchip, the internet, integrated circuits, and the personal computer, because we don't have tbe talent domestically.  And you're wrong, on both counts.  H1B and offshoring in tech are being used by American corporations to turn a bigger profit at the expense of American workers.[/quote]

Foreign talent won WWII and put an Ameican man on the moon too. [/quote]

Untrue:

Claims that America’s foundational technologies were "strictly due to foreign talent" don’t survive contact with the record. The integrated circuit (Kilby and Noyce), microprocessor (Hoff, Mazor, Faggin), ARPANET/internet (Cerf, Kahn, Roberts, Kleinrock), and personal computer (Roberts, Jobs, Wozniak, Estridge) were all developed primarily by American‑born engineers working in U.S. labs funded by U.S. industry and government. Yes, some foreign‑born contributors were part of the ecosystem, but the leadership, funding, and industrial capacity behind these breakthroughs were overwhelmingly domestic. The same is true for WWII and Apollo: a few high‑profile foreign scientists participated, but the Manhattan Project, U.S. wartime production, and the 400,000‑person Apollo workforce were dominated by American engineers, machinists, programmers, and technicians.

Invoking those historical contributions to justify modern H‑1B and offshoring practices is a category error. Studies from the GAO and Economic Policy Institute show that today’s H‑1B system is used largely to secure cheaper, more easily controlled labor rather than to get better talent, or to fill genuine skill shortages, and offshoring persists because it cuts labor costs by 40–70 percent. None of this reflects a lack of American talent; it reflects corporate incentives to suppress wages and maximize margins. Historical immigrant contributions are real, but they don’t transform contemporary labor‑arbitrage strategies into national necessities.[/quote]

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