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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think this is difficult to parse without acknowledging that different generations experience different issues related to gender.  When I hear “men’s rights” I think of Gen X and Millennial aged individuals involved in a smaller movement that initially pushed back against issues with men related to family court, suicide, and dangerous jobs. This accompanied a feeling of value being tied to beating up their body and risking their life for physical labor.  In addition to assumptions that fathers were never as good of a care giver as the mother.  There seems to be some more controversial takes here that push back on same sexual assault related studies and advocate colleges to get out of prosecuting sexual related incidents in-house and leaving them solely to the authorities. This version seems to have evolved or have offshoots in the current movement acknowledging issues with boys in academic environments and the sharp decline in men advancing to higher education.  As well as some broader issues around feeling placed into a hierarchy in society and being told men have it all while feeling like top men have everything and bottom men get nothing. This movement seems more community driven to change and influence institutions, laws, and society to correct these issues. Like feminism, there seems to be a scale of extremism that runs from agreement there are issues that need addressing to a toxic level of hate/angry at the issues (real or perceived).

If its “Man-O-Sphere” I see this as a almost wholly toxic byproduct of online culture, influencer economics, and rage bait that takes duel and somewhat contradictory approach of blaming women (for continually falling for attractive men that mistreat her)and the man as an individual for not being “man” enough.  Part of the goal seems to be to sell supplements, exercise regimes, and cosmetic products to make a viewer “man” enough. It seems to have some conspiracy thinking around the man falling for society telling him to be less manly and more liberal to succeed when it led to his failure - only this man-o-sphere influencer can tell him how to course correct to get women, money, etc. I see this as emerging from the pick-up culture of the 2010.

Adjacent to this is stereotypical fraternity culture and Barstool sports that is probably closer to mainstream.  But may also be viewed as the popular kids that never let the incel/man-o-sphere believer sit at the same lunch table.  I just don’t think these people think or have much interest man-o-sphere or mens rights in the same way they do not care much about any issues.  Between them and the man-o-sphere would maybe be Joe Rogan and Theo Vonn.

To the extent OP (or anyone else) is reading.  I think you need to understand where your son is falling on this spectrum. I would also hesitate to frame it in the point of view from your generation’s gender issues.  And instead try to understand what is driving him there is it: issues with girls and relationships, self-esteem/body shame, feeling left out by or attacked by society (or specific parts of it), identifying with issues around boys in school, and/or feeling some sense of injustice that needs to be corrected (that can lead to an use vs them/men vs women mindset).  With all these issues, you can try to channel him to healthier outlets or find a way to five him hope about the future despite what happened in the past. [/quote]

Thank you for this.[/quote]

That quote is mostly wrong.  The problem is that women suffocate masculinity everywhere they go.  Men, who naturally seek masculinity, have few outlets to find it.  Unfortunately, the only people offering a vision of masculinity are disagreeable misogynists.  What's worse, these misogynists make some valid points that the left cannot disprove because the left, in true feminine fashion, has erased debate and cannot test, let alone improve, its ideas.

OP's son is reacting rationally to a cruel world.  OP should talk to her son and see the world through his eyes as a loving mother instead of trying to impose her sensibilities on him.  He needs support, not a lecture.  OP's son also needs a strong masculine influence, which cannot be OP.  Traditionally, that role was fulfilled by the father.

OP won't fix these problems by listening to the academics who created them, nor their adherents.  Asking here isn't the best place.  OP, if you love your son, heed my words.  [/quote]

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