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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Couldn't be just about a protest, weather or basketball, could it? The protest was shortlived, and the weather and basketball were always there, so why they suddenly more popular now? [/quote]

None of that is a valid assessment of the quality of the students.

Duke is a stable T10 no rise or decline: solidly in the T10, only one year in the last 10 has been outside of it, and has the SAT scores (pre-TO) that rival the top-4 ivies and MIT.
Columbia is in a decline: falsified data led to a fake "T3" spot, and never reported SAT scores on the CDS, due to lower than the top 4 ivies with the large pool of GS students, then they had the extensive issues with the protests and now a gated campus. It remains a top school T11-15, it could go back up to T10 (And bump down JHU with its 2 rounds of ED) but not likely in the next 5 years.
[b]UChicago: Stable but not really a T10[/b], though not declining fro those that understand where it really sits. Like Columbia they never reported CDS, and have been TO for a while. Furthermore they have ED1 ED2 and EA and RD, now an ED0. [b]They game the system too much to be T10, period.[/b] They are a stable T15 That gets ranked USN T10 due to gimmicks. 
Vanderbilt: used to have one of the Top-7 SAT ranges in the country, now they take tons of TO, take hundreds in sophomore transfers, all TO and many quite low (1350s). They are not ascending they are moving from what used to be T12-15 to T18-22. Their fit over the USN rankings drop was illustrative. Act like you belong, don't whine. WashU has become more prestigious as far as talent of the student body than Vanderbilt.

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Disagree. Has been T10 for years, even before ED. I'm not a Chicago lover but that's just the truth. And their SAT score averages also matched the upper Ivies and other T10s before TO.[/quote]

UChicago has been TO for a very long time and did not release CDS until everyone was TO (neither did Columbia, though not TO and widely suspected to be the GS data that made the matriculated SAT/ACT scores not desirable for release). Chicago does not and did not have SAT ranges on par with the top-ten SAT range schools. That is why Chicago and Columbia did not publish CDS, they did not want to admit they were not on par with who they say are peer schools. 
UChicago is a school that in studies has been included with "ivy+"(Duke, MIT, Stanford, Chicago) and thus does, like ivies, provide a statistically significant boost for top jobs and top grad/professional schools. It is worth every cent to ED there if one does not have a good chance at the others. 
However it likely has scores that are similar to the bottom third of these.  They are at the bottom of this "ivy+" based the %age of unhooked true top candidates who matriculate. The unhooked admit data from schools like HWS, Groton, Nobles and the Big3 in DMV indicate they gather not-quite top students for ED zero-2. Counselors know it and push the 3.9uw, top but not quite max rigor, 1500 ish but still not-quite-top-of the class crew to apply there ED, versus ivy or Duke ED, even over the easier admit ivy, Cornell. Cornell is T11-14. That is about where Chicago truly is on a peer quality basis. 
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