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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]They need to overhaul the legal process. They need to structure it so it is open to all and not just people of higher means. The government needs to stop going after undocumented immigrants and start going after businesses. If you make it impossible to get work here, people will not come. They are coming to improve their lives and the lives of their children. Break the ability to earn money and they won’t come.[/quote]

As an employer I am not allowed to question work documents even if I suspect they are fake. What can you go after the businesses for? You can’t say they knowingly hired an illegal immigrant if they’re not allowed to question if they are legal…..

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E-Verify. It’s not perfect, but it will catch your obvious fakers. 
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Read the rules, if I get a mis match I can’t use that to deny the job. I still must hire them and give them the "opportunity to correct". How does that make sense?[/quote]

I’m sorry what’s the issue here? Paperwork mistakes happen. They happened pre DOGE and they are certainly happening now. People shouldn’t lose jobs over it.

Seems like a small inconvenience to make sure you are not hiring an illegal is preferable to hiring them and then watching them get disappeared the night before your biggest business day of the year. The fact that more employers don’t use it is telling. [/quote]

The issue is even with an mis match I’m required to hire them. The start of this thread was "go after the business for hiring them". How can you go after the business for hiring them when I’m not allowed to deny or question them? You can’t have it both ways.

If you don’t want someone to hire them, give that business the right to say no. [/quote]

I’m missing the part where you’re required to hire them. You’re not allowed to take adverse action based on a potential mismatch. That doesn’t mean you have to hire them. You can decide you don’t like the way they talk to you, or they’ve countered for too much money, or they’re not responsive, or any number of reasons not prohibited by law. [/quote]

Uh, if not hiring them isn't an adverse action, what is? And employers aren't going to risk lawsuits unless they have really good legal cover. [/quote]

Let me ask you - what illegal immigrant is going to sue you for not hiring them on the basis of an eVerify mismatch?! None, that’s who. No illegal immigrant will open themselves up to that. [b]No one will represent them. [/b]

You know who might sue you? Citizens with an administrative paperwork problem. Who are, you know, not illegal.

Am a lawyer but not your lawyer [/quote]

As a Lawyer you should know there are ones that specialize in representing illegal immigrants against employers. They can (and have) sued for employers not hiring them based on "status discrimination"

https://lauraleonlaw.com/en/our-services/illegal-immigrant-rights/

People like to say "blame the people that hire them" without knowing how dumb the laws actually are. 
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No, they are not dumb. If you are going to employ illegal immigrants who do not have authorization to work, you cannot treat them like slaves, you cannot withhold their wages, you cannot force them to work in unsafe conditions, and you can’t hire them only to treat them worse because they are undocumented.

If treating undocumented workers fairly and like humans bothers you, DON’T HIRE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS. How do you know they are undocumented? Repeat after me, kids: E-VERIFY.

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Again, if they fail e-verify that is not considered proof they are not legal. I can not use that failure as a reason to not hire them. There is no legal way for me to know they are undocumented. How can I be penalized for hiring someone that I’m not allowed to question? Please tell me how I’m supposed to know and I’ll do it. [/quote]

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