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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have a child who is now a freshman at an Ivy and attended a private feeder and is ending the semester with 99-100% across the board in all classes, frankly without studying. There are kids who routinely get 15-20% on the exams and they aren't the athletes who they say are primarily the private school kids and/or kids from areas like the DMV. I get that colleges want to extend opportunities to kids who otherwise would never get a leap up in life and I think this is probably a very good institutional priority. But a result you have many, many kids who are very average at these schools (and again, they've generally not the athletes). My kid says the kids in their private school classes were far more impressive than the kids in their Ivy classes. This is NOT a private/public school debate as I'm sure it would be the same if he/she went to a magnet or high performing public. [/quote] The gulf in the classroom at these Ivies is now HUGE in 2025. You have kids (mine and other from high performing privates/publics) who are doing next to no work and getting perfect grades and others who are really, really struggling. It's striking. Ask any kid who is a freshman at one. [/quote] My son isn’t seeing that. His course sizes are small and every kid he meets is highly intelligent (per him). He loves it. Catholic school kid- very prepared for the rigor- won a departmental award 1st year. Maybe they aren’t taking the sane courses- but he’s not seeing what you describe. [/quote] +1 and certainly not seeing everyone getting all As. Grading isn’t cake anymore. They work hard. People just make sh@t up on this board like it’s gospel. [/quote] Facts matter. A's are given out like Halloween candy almost everywhere. https://www.gradeinflation.com/ [/quote] My dad is an Ivy League prof. I used watch him grade exam books when I was a kid. In the 80s, he’d regularly hand out F’s to people who earned them. By the 90s, he’d give C’s to those people, because he was told by the dean that he could no longer give Fs. Now, he can’t even give C’s. He’s retiring so it’s not his problem anymore, but he is genuinely worried about the state of things, because he tells me most of his class now would be earning F’s if we were back in the 80s. Reasons for this include not showing up for class, not coming to office hours if you don’t understand something, complaining if something in the test isn’t exactly what was covered in the notes, and poor time management overall.[/quote] Is not any different at UVA or USC or Bama….etc It’s today. Public HS has some of the craziest grade inflation ever. Start there [/quote]
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