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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]-Socrates: Everyone accepts he existed, yet we have zero words written by him and zero contemporary documents mentioning him.

-Pythagoras: Famous theorem, religious cult that lasted centuries—yet not a single text or inscription from his lifetime or the century after.

-Spartacus: One of the most famous slave rebels in history, but no Roman historian writing while he was alive or within a century afterward left a detailed account that survives.

Jesus is actually on the stronger end of the spectrum for a non-royal, non-elite person from the early 1st century CE. The combination of multiple independent sources (hostile, neutral, and friendly) appearing within 20–90 years is better than what we have for many other accepted ancient figures who were far more powerful or famous in their own lifetimes. [/quote]

You seem very smart and you type well, too.[/quote]

Thanks! I am an old guy who has spent decades studying this stuff. I think the worst thing I have seen is the Horus, Mithras, etc, meme crap that people somehow actually believe. Those are memes that someone probably made as a joke. And they are everywhere on the internet and people use them as “evidence.” [/quote]

Evidence doesn't matter when it comes to religion.  It's what people believe - or not.[/quote]

The information posted in the memes that people tout online as evidence are patently false, ie, Jesus and Mithras and Horus and a host of other gods had virgin births, disciples, had ministries that cared for the poor and weak, were crucified and rose from the dead- all false.

That has nothing to do with faith or belief. It’s people lying in meme form, and other people being gullible enough to believe it and post it online and spread it around as some amazing truth.

Example:

Divine Parentage and Miraculous Births: Both figures are described as having a divine father and a mortal mother. Dionysus was the son of Zeus and Semele, with myths involving Zeus sewing the fetus into his thigh after Semele’s death.  Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary through the Holy Spirit, as per the Gospels. Some sources note that Dionysus’s birth wasn’t strictly “virgin” in the Christian sense, but both involve supernatural elements.

Association with Wine and Miracles: Dionysus is fundamentally the god of wine, with legends of him turning water into wine or creating vines miraculously.  Jesus’s first miracle in the Gospel of John is turning water into wine at the Wedding at Cana, which some interpret as a symbolic nod to Dionysian themes, though Jesus’s act emphasizes moderation and divine provision rather than revelry.

Death and Resurrection Themes: Dionysus features in myths of dismemberment by Titans and subsequent rebirth, symbolizing seasonal renewal and the cycle of vines.  Jesus’s crucifixion and resurrection after three days is a core Christian belief, representing victory over sin and death. While both involve revival, Dionysus’s story is more about ecstatic ritual and nature, not atonement for humanity.

Persecution and Triumph: Both faced opposition from authorities. Dionysus was persecuted in myths like Euripides’ The Bacchae, where King Pentheus resists his cult.  Jesus was crucified by Roman and Jewish leaders. In both cases, their followers experience transformation or enlightenment.

Titles and Roles: Dionysus is sometimes called a “savior” or “divine child” in hymns, and he spreads his rites as a wandering figure.  Jesus is the Messiah and teacher who travels preaching salvation. However, Dionysus’s “salvation” often involves liberation through intoxication and madness, contrasting Jesus’s moral teachings.

These parallels have fueled theories, like those in comparative mythology, suggesting early Christianity absorbed elements from pagan cults, though most historians see them as independent developments.

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It’s embarrassing. It’s the farthest thing from actual intelligent conversation or debate. [/quote]

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