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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I was a camp counselor and at that age was very obedient to authority. I hope I would have had the presence of mind and confidence in my judgement to evacuate the kids despite being told to stay, but I'm not sure I would have, especially never having lived through major flooding. I likely would have trusted that the owners knew best. It's such a tragedy.

Those counselors that moved the kids are heroes.[/quote]

The counselors that moved the kids, and the ones who stayed and died with their kids are all heroes.  The counselors didn't have phones. They didn't have walkie talkies or weather radios.  They aren't to blame for realizing that the camp leadership was giving them misinformation.  [/quote]

Was it misinformation, though? Or a [ultimately incorrect] risk assessment based on limited information, with dire consequences?

If this has been like the previous catastrophic flood in 1987, the water would have made it into some of the cabins, but probably wouldn't have posed a real danger. Unlike attempting an evacuation through severe weather with small kids, in the dark.

I don't think some of you understand how quickly the water rose and how exceptional the situation was compared to past floods.

I don't know what the camp officials knew or when they knew it. But I'm remembering my days at camp in the midwest. What if a severe storm had come through at night- one with the hallmarks of a storm that generates tornadoes? Do we hunker down in the tents? Hike through the storm to the shelter? At what point do head for a ditch or low ground? Obviously these days we'd expect to be notified of tornadoes based on radar and weather alerts, but that wasn't always the case.[/quote]

Have you read the filings? They made a series of pisspoor decisions. One of the photos shows kids safely walking through ankle deep water to the rec hall at 3 am. There was a long period of time when evacuating the kids was entirely possible and was happening for some cabins, but for whatever reason not for others, despite them asking to evacuate.  [/quote]

Are you kidding? What you saw in that picture was kids "safely walking" through water? It was obviously deeper than ankle-high. Worse, you can't see through muddy floodwater in the dark, so you didn't know how deep the next step would be.

That was absolutely not safe. With hindsight it was obviously worth the risk. But that's with hindsight.[/quote]

Where are you seeing these pictures?[/quote]

DP here. There is a huge in depth piece with maps, pictures, videos and interactive graphics on NYT. Extremely well done.

I support the families suing. The Eastlands were extremely negligent. That being said, I truly think they were just not smart. I don’t think they realized the risk they were taking. It was interesting in the article to see that the water line in Bubble Inn was only 6 feet. Meaning if they could have stayed on the top bunks without floating away, they would have lived. Of course they had no way to know the water wouldn’t rise to the ceiling. But it didn’t, at least not in that specific cabin. [/quote]

Clearly they should have known exactly how high the water would go.[/quote]

Read the article. Point is, nothing they did that night indicated they had any clue what could and did happen until it was far too late. [/quote]

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