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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This White House document about religious freedom seems self-contradictory.  A free nation (and the leader thereof) should not specify that people must believe in a single creator or any creator.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/09/president-trump-champions-religious-freedom-unveils-america-prays/

Personally, I value us as a "Free nation."  I am also, admittedly, an atheist. Am I still welcome in the US? Or do conservatives want religion as a litmus test for being a "true" American?

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Maybe it's your atheism, but you seem really confused.[/quote]

DP.  The founding fathers intended for us to be freely able to be atheists, Christians, Zoroastrians, Hindus, whatever we like.
Anyone who thinks they wanted for us to be a Christian nation the way Trump does is the confused one.[/quote]

Our declaration of independence is explicitly based on judeo-christian concepts like natural rights, humans being created by God, etc. I think it's fair to say that they envisioned a nation, as they articulated in the founding documents, based on western, democratic ideals.

In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth,[b] the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them[/b], a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that[b] all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --[/b]That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-

Sen Tim Kaine recently attacked a witness during a hearing for saying that we have natural rights, claiming this was "Christian nationalism." It's literally the basis of our government. [/quote]

All of which you say is a result of the secular humanism of the time.  Itself born of the Enlightenment (the wokist MFers ever) the entire point of which was to question the nature of and existence  of "God".  While almost all engaged in "Pascal's Wager", you would be hard pressed to find a single founding father or intellectual contemporary who was "devoutly" Christian.

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