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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The same way parents start their kids in obscure sports and use $$$ per hour coaches and fly all over the world for camps and tournaments. The kids of top college alums in our NYC private have a set of activities cultivated since elementary school and private tutors to maintain grades. Then their parents make sure they have good internships in college. I know parents paying $200 per hour for math olympiad coaching. It never ends. However, the good news is some bright kids still do well in the college process based on their own efforts and merit.  [/quote]

It’s not the same with sports. In sports, the result still depends on the kid and their efforts.

You can have the best coaches and they won’t make your kid successful without their hard work.[/quote]

The best "coaches"  for young people learning to do science research do not do the projects for them.  Anyone doing that is not qualifying for any kind of best "coach" award.

Discourage your child from learning about science research if you think it's all a bunch of bull crap.  There are plenty of other pursuits that high school students can get involved in.  The science research program at our local high school is excellent.  It's certainly not popular, but it is a good experience for the students that do want to be involved.[/quote]
 The best coaches will not teach your kid how do science research, build web servers, build IoT devices and machine learning in the span of a few grades. It takes software engineers years to learn these skills.  This is obviously not a kid project.

Nobody said you shouldn’t expose your kid to scientific research. People are saying don’t cheat.[/quote]

[b]You seem to be implying that all of the thousands of kids that do these science research programs in their high schools are cheaters.  [/b]

I can't speak for everyone, but the science research program that my students were involved in was by far the biggest academic challenge they had in high school.  It was a multiple year program that built on each prior year.  It required a high level of effort and investment and the return on that was significant.  It's fine for there to be programs for science kids just like there are for music  kids and sports, kids and math  kids and writing kids, etc.  [/quote]

DP. The claim is that the over the top winners of the science fair are getting some help; the claim has never been everyone; we still see classics: on baking, plants and music, to writing complex code.

What we are specifically talking about is the kid who is doing PHD level research that requires Grad School understanding of the material. Could this kid exist? Maybe one or two in a century. We're seeing projects that deal with specific anatomical diseases of the brain and nobel prize winning cures. The kid just struggled through the AP Bio test. That's all a vent thread. [/quote]

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