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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Very odd that some LAC supporters criticize Johns Hopkins University. JHU has, by far, the largest research & development (R&D) budget of any US school and probably of any school in the world. There is no LAC that is even close to JHU or to any Top 15 university excluding Dartmouth College & Brown University--an other of which are over-rated.

If LACs were ranked with National Universities, none--according to the Wall Street Journal & The Times Higher Education published rankings, would fall among the top 20 schools.[/quote]

Williams would 1000% - and probably higher than JHU, which some would say is a one trick pony [/quote]

Now you're just be silly & childish. Compare the research budget of JHU to any other school in the world. JHU's 2023 fiscal year research budget was over $3.8 billion ($3,800,000,000+). Over $3.8 billion for just one year. Williams College's R&D budget for the same fiscal year (2023) was a paltry $3.448 million (less than one-tenth of one percent of JHU's 2023 R&D budget!)

JHU's $3,800,000,000+ budget versus Williams College's $3,448,000 R&D budget. They are in two different leagues.[/quote]

They have two different functions. And, Williams is far superior at it’s mission which is undergraduate education.[/quote]

Maybe, maybe not. What is Williams College's mission ? JHU undergraduates are hard-working and successful.[/quote]

I don't think that anyone would say the JHU students are brilliant, hardworking, and successful; they are. But the implication that SLACs are somehow a "lesser league that JHU is just obtuse. Focusing on research budgets, is just obtuse (undergraduates are a nuisance for researchers, they are not wanted). The  outsized success of top SLACs across the board in Phd programs, IB, Consulting, Finance, top law school admissions, med school admissions, etc. relative to their size is indisputable. It is a superior model for undergraduate education.[/quote]

DP. Look, I am not sure the point of this debate. I am a JHU alumni. Spouse attended an Ivy. We visited Williams and were impressed, though it would be a [b]tough decision since kid is very research focused. [/b]But at the end of the day, my kid would be lucky to attend either JHU, any of the Ivies, or Williams. They all different schools, all with pros and cons. There is no "one superior" model, and silly to debate without considering specifics of the student, as well as career goals. [/quote]
This is one thing the research university parents always fail to get- research is everywhere at top LACs and it’s for your kids, not a grad student, not a Postdoc, not a staff research assistant, not an affiliated scholar. It’s research that undergraduate students can advance a project on and get publications on. DD goes to Williams and is on her 4th publication from her lab as a senior. She also has two publications with Yale from working with a researcher during the summers. DD’s older friends all got top research fellowships and go to top graduate schools. It’s super cool that these research universities have all the fancy equipment and top researchers, but most students aren’t getting into those labs and their projects aren’t productive.[/quote]

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