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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am the poster who said that Saint Andrews wasn’t all that selective and was reported and deleted for daring to say that lol. I don’t want to say too much, but I do know a family where all of the kids went to Saint Andrews from the DMV. They were smart kids but not superstars. None was accepted top schools.  Denied in state UVA etc.  So I do have more than just the theoretical knowledge about this.[/quote]

+1. It’s an NYU/BC level school, which is perfectly fine. No need to oversell it.[/quote]

What makes you say it's an NYU/BC level school? There is no evidence to back this.

People on this thread need a masterclass on perspective vs perception. [/quote]

Because it is almost certain with a 1320 SAT optional minimum and a 60% acceptance rate that their 25th-75th percentile looks a lot like those schools pre-test optional. Perhaps even lower than those schools, I would say that’s probably the upper bound.

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[b]You're making a large assumption here- that the entrance for US students to St Andrews correlates to its overall prestige, academic excellence, and graudate propsectus..[/b] it does not. St Andrews has one of/if not the hardest entry requirements for UK students. It's easier for American students to gain acceptance. It's graduate prospectus is top 3-4 according to the league tables.

The acceptance rate is inflated for multiple reasons already outlines in this thread (entry requirements, self selection. etc).

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I didn’t make any of these assumptions as we were talking about admissions only (where, yes, mathematically the middle of the distribution is probably in the 1400s, similar to an NYU/BC or a bit lower).

But yes, for all of these things St Andrews is equivalent to a US T30 or T40. For prestige, it is viewed as well behind 5 or 6 other UK schools and among a group of schools a tier down. Graduate prospectus is not top 3-4, for graduate prospect outcomes in the league tables it is 7th and closer to the schools ranked 16th-17th on that measure than the number 1 spot. Academic excellence, it is notable in a few areas but not across the board.

T30 or even T40 is not bad at all, for what it’s worth. It’s actually very strong and those are great schools with great outcomes. But it’s only on DCUM where private/boarding school parents and recent grads are trying to make it an Ivy equivalent to assuage their insecurity about it.[/quote]

Graduate Prospectus is 87% (only slightly behind Cambridge and Oxford, both at 90%)

Entry Standards are 100%- the highest in the UK. Student Satisfaction is 83%- also the highest in the UK. Definitely not viewed behind 5 or 6 other UK schools.

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Will this ever, ever end?

I know a NOVA family where literally every one of the kids ended up at St Andrew’s after being rejected in state for UVA.  They didn’t want to go anywhere else in state and didn’t want to pay top dollar for OOS tuition or top 40 private.   It makes sense to me.   But let’s stop pretending American kids are turning down Harvard for St Andrew’s.  They’re not.  It doesn’t mean it isn’t a good school and a good financial option for many. [/quote]

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