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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The argument is not and should not be that "Americans won't do these jobs" but that we have inadequate citizen applicants to get the job done when the job is important and needed from generating food to nursing care.[/quote]

From inception, the U.S. was built on free and then underpaid labor. Indentured servants > slaves > sharecroppers/Jim Crow blacks > Irish/Italian/Polish/Chinese immigrants > illegal immigrants from Latin America. Our food and several manufacturing sectors have ALWAYS paid below market-rate wages. [/quote]

OP here. Yes, I read The Jungle. I thought we were supposed to be progressing past that. A lot of people on this thread are fine with those jobs continuing to suck as long as it’s not them who has to do them.[/quote]

One side supports OSHA and safe working conditions, healthcare, education and a minimum wage. The other side is the GOP. Not the same.[/quote]

To a point.

Dems support all those things in theory, but they don’t want to pay for them.

FTR, I’m a Dem.

Just look at how we’ve abandoned mom and pop shops to support Amazon, Walmart, and target. It’s because people prefer to pay less.

Ditto for using uber instead of (uninionized) taxis. Uber is cheaper.

And what about Airbnb? Hilton actually offers their workers good wages and benefits that mirror what is required in socialized countries in the EU, let many people opt for the cheaper Airbnbs despite the fact they are destroying the housing market…particularly for los wage workers and the elderly.

Most people only “care” in theory. Once it hits their own wallet, they sing a different tune. [/quote]

What do you mean "the dems don't want to pay for them"?????????

We had OSHA and these other things and were paying for them. It is the GOP who is dismantling everything.
And Amazon, Walmart, Target, Uber etc are all owned by tech billionaires who are MAGAs.
Dems support things like Main Streets which the national organization is propped up by Historic Preservation organizations. That is where support for Mom and Pop shops is coming from and they are anything but right wingers.[/quote]

Let me clarify:

Yes, of course OSHA is important and Dems would happily pay for that. We are typically fine with supporting things at the federal/macro level.

But when it comes to whipping out our wallet to pay for things, many/most Dems opt for the cheaper option (see my prior post where I provided a number of examples).

Yes, I know the big box stores are owned by Republican billionaires…which is why I don’t shop there. But the masses *do* shop there. It’s very telling that most people’s politics and morals go out the window when it comes to convenience and price.

I get it: it’s hard to walk the walk. It’s much easier just to talk the talk.

Similarly, many Dems have cleaning services, landscapers, Nannies, etc. who they pay cash under the table. Why? Cheaper for them…without any of the protections you believe all Dems universally support. (FTR, I’ve never hired a cleaning service, landscapers, or a nanny.)[/quote]

DP.  That's completely false.  Dems are usually the ones looking for and willing to pay for a better option, like organic produce to try to avoid pesticides, opting in to green energy when given a choice, buying from a more ethical vendor, and all of those kinds of things even if it means paying more.  [/quote]

Listen, I’m not saying all Dems fall short, and I’m certainly not suggesting Republicans are better on these issues.

Rather, I’m pointing out the reason why doing better on these complex issues seems to elude us despite the policy platforms we supposedly support: it’s because when it comes time to pull out our wallets, it’s human nature to save money and opt for convenience.

Guys, if we can’t acknowledge these issues, then we won’t be able to better address them. Stop acting like all Dems march in lockstep and opt to spend more for groceries and pay taxes on Nannies and housekeepers. Some do, but most don’t. And I agree the republicans are worse on these issues (no contest). [/quote]

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