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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]MCSL Divisionals is the last team meet of the season, in effect a mega-A meet where points count big time in the final division standings, and also where kids can post one last all-star time before the individual all-stat meet is seeded.  This is very different from NVSL.[/quote]

Divisionals is the last chance for a team to get promoted out of its division or avoid relegation to a lower division.  And yes, this matters to many swimmers and their parents.[/quote]

DP - I thought MCSL assigned Divisions for next year based on some kind of elaborate simulation of all teams competing against each other.  It’s not based on points during the season - we were undefeated last year, won relay carnival AND Divisionals and stayed in the same Division.  [/quote]

That is correct, but two things can be true at once.  Divisionals is the last chance for many swimmers to post their best times, which in turn are used for the simulations.  If your team won everything, I'm surprised you didn't move up, but then again, you could already be in Divisions B-E, where there may be less upward movement (I understand the upper divisions are like the top of a pyramid).[/quote]

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1216391.page

As per the above thread from last year, the times used for simulations are taken solely from dual (A) meets.  That explains how they can know Division assignments for next year so soon after Divisionals, i.e., performance at Divisionals has no bearing on Division assignments for the following year.  [b]It does matter for final Division standings[/b] and is a last chance for a kid to improve times for individual all-stars.

So, no.  Divisionals is not the “last chance” for a team to influence their Divisional assignment for the next year.[/quote]

Interesting.  Can you clarify the bold above?  Does a team's final division standing have any bearing at all on division assignments the following year?[/quote]

From the MCSL handbook: “  A team’s final place in the division is the sum of its dual meet, relay meet and division championship meet points.”

I haven’t been able to find anything in the handbook about how they assign divisions for the following year, so I’m going by last year’s thread (the one I linked).  If the latter is true, then next year’s division assignments are based on the simulations run using data from dual meets only, not division championships.  And even that data apparently doesn’t take into account all times from dual meets, only some.

If anyone has a valid source for how MCSL determines division assignments for the next year, I’d love to see it! [/quote]

See the top of this page: https://mcsl.org/content/documents/2025/2025-preliminary-divisions.pdf[/quote]

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