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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's such a shame that TO has inflated average test scores at most schools. It isn't just the 1550 kids who get screwed, since they'll submit test scores regardless. Its kids who get a 1450 (97% percentile), feel like failures, and are told they're below the school average so they shouldn't submit their scores (even though that average is based on 28% of kids).[/quote]'

Agree, it makes it very hard to really decide where you fit and if you should submit your scores.  DC is struggling with this. 1440 on SAT, 96th percentile nationally, and in the bottom 25% of students submitting scores to several schools they are interested in - so getting mixed advice on to submit or not.

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DCUM doesn't talk about this very frequently.  I am curious what would happen if you submit bottom 25% to a TO school.  
Isn't it better to submit?  If you don't submit, aren't they going to just assume your score is far lower than 25%?  For sure one would not submit 1200, 1300.
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Really depends on the school and just how TO they are. My kid did not submit a 1490 (790 V 700M) to a school that was TO prepandemic but loves super high scores if submitted. Would have been 25th percentile of admitted students but still a strong score. Extremely divisive decision on this board but it worked out. The TO haters could not get their heads around sitting on a 1490, but I think it depends on the school. If a school says it’s TO, but most of their accepted students submit scores, the analysis is obviously different. Maybe you risk submitting at 25%. My kid was also able to put NM Commended on their application, which could have provided some additional comfort that the standardized testing was in a reasonable range. Ultimately, I think the question is does submitting the score help your overall profile. If you have all the other things (gpa, rigor, leadership, ECs, essays, recs, etc) and a score that is good but not at that level, why bother if the school is fine evaluating your kid without the score. Asking if they’ll assume your score is terrible if you don’t submit is just buying into the foolish notion that the SAT score is the most important data point in holistic admissions. That’s far from true at test required schools. [/quote]

💯 the advice college counselors would give.

- How strong is the application without the score.
- Does the score help or hurt that profile?
- What % of admitted class what’s TO?
- What’s the avg score for your senior class and is it published on your school’s Landscape profile? If your kid is really below it and you are applying to a selective school that’s hard for an AO to defend or rationalize in committee. Better for you to give them something else.
- Think about the entire picture.[/quote]

Agree.

Some selective schools are very open about the fact that they don’t care about scores - they will tell you in campus tours and information sessions not to submit a sub-50% score….You should believe what they tell you.[/quote]

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