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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There is a reason MAID is used and preferred largely by wealthy white men in places where it is allowed. They are the only ones that can have the confidence that they’ll control the process. [/quote]

Uh, cite please.  I know of two elderly WOMEN who have availed themselves of MAID due to debilitating conditions.  Believe me, they were in control of the process.  [/quote]

Look at the published numbers.

Wealthy, privileged white women are the second most common, on average.

MAID is utilized primarily by those who do not have to fear coercion or discrimination by the medical establishment. [/quote]

DP here. All this tells me is that is needs to be more widely available and doctors need to talk about it.
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DP. And how do you propose to do this ethically? How do you propose to have healthcare providers do this who are part of a medical system that has systematically and widely discriminated against poor, non-white, and/or uneducated patients and that has discarded them and treated them badly their whole lives? How do you think they can possibly trust the medical system at this critical juncture when they have a lifetime of extremely reasonable skepticism?

I’m the Canadian PP who posted above and there are already serious issues in Canada with privileged and educated providers suggesting euthanasia to people whose greatest problem appears to be that they are poor, or have unstable housing. This is not a theoretical issue; this is happening now.

What I see in Canada is that the wealthy and privileged who want access to this in their own lives don’t particularly care if the system coerces poor and vulnerable people into ending their own lives, so long as those privileged people retain that access for when they want it. They seem to consider that a few eggs broken to make an omelette. To me, that is an utterly immoral position. [/quote]

Well if you are poor and unhoused is it better to suffer and die under an overpass or die warm and comfy and cozy. If society isn’t going to provide for these people, the least we could do is let the ones who want to go have a nice exit.

Let’s also not forget the trauma to family members and first responders when people who have no other choice put a gun in their mouth. [/quote]

Yikes. Yeah, maybe you had better stay out of this discussion. You are entirely irrational at best, and a eugenist at worst. [/quote]

I’m a realist. We aren’t in any capacity willing and in some cases able to care for many of the homeless and mentally ill. I’m not saying we shouldn’t but if we aren’t gonna, we can at least give people choices. Seems to me like you are comfortable with people suffering and dying slowly in the streets. You must be Catholic. [/quote]

So you are a bigot and a eugenicist. Nice combo.

I’m a liberal atheist but I would convert to conservative Catholicism before I allied myself with someone like you. It’s shocking to see we are at the “No, killing the homeless is good, actually” stage of DCUM posters advocating for euthanasia. [/quote]

You extrapolating. I’m not advocating rounding them up and you know that. I’m advocating for them the have agency. If they want to go they should be allowed to. Everyone should have that option. If you’ve been struggling with mental illness all your life and you are done, you should be able to go. Allowing people to suffer because of an ideal isn’t noble, it is cruel. I know it’s fun for you to use words like eugenics but clearly you don’t understand it very well. Suffering is horrible and ugly. If we cannot cure someone’s suffering and they don’t want to endure it anymore then we should respect them and their humanity enough to allow them peace and dignity in their exit. [/quote]

DP. If we can't cure someone's mental illness, they can't be mentally competent. So we would appoint someone to handle their affairs, or a relative would come forward to ask for PoA. Since continued care for someone incurable is a waste of resources, what do you think will happen? [/quote]

That PP wants to use euthanasia to reduce homelessness. It’s sick. 
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