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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]One example is the inability of Israelis of European descent to pronounce the letter “ח”(chet). It is supposed to be pronounced as a distinct, guttural sound different from the standard "h" sound of the letter “ה”(hey). This guttural sound is common in Semitic languages like Hebrew and Arabic where the sound is “ح”

Yiddish, influenced by Germanic languages, lacks the guttural ח sound, and speakers often approximated it as a softer "h.”

When Hebrew was created as a spoken language in the late 19th primarily by Ashkenazi Jews in Europe, the pronunciation of ח was influenced by the the German "ch" in "Bach") was adopted as the standard.

DC folks when you listen to an Amharic (Semitic language) speaker you will notice this sound come up a lot and why Semitic people poke fun at Israelis inability to pronounce the  “ח” (chet) sound and replace it with “ch.”

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What? Israeli Hebrew does pronounce chet differently from hey. I don't know how it's pronounced in Arabic or Amharic, [b]but I also don't know why you'd expect Hebrew to use the same pronunciation as two other languages do.[/b] [/quote]

Amharic, Arabic, Somali, and other Semitic languages are the closest to the ancient Hebrew spoken language.

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So your point here obviously is that Jews have no connection to the Middle East and in fact they're all just Germans, great, fine, you're a brilliant logician. So what? What does that have to do with how to get Israel to stop bombing Gaza today? [/quote]

I did not say that.

I have presented linguistic facts and you are free to make your own deductions but do not put words in my mouth. [/quote]

Okay, what was your point, then? It’s definitely true that the original Jewish immigrants to what’s now Israel spoke different languages (though some Jews already lived there). I don’t think even the craziest apocalyptic settlers would dispute that. But so what? What does that have to do with (a) whether they should have moved there then or (b) what’s happening today?

As for “go back to East Berlin” comments like the one from one PP, I happen to think the Holocaust is used inappropriately by Israeli politicians to fend off criticism. But I will say it’s also not that hard to figure out why there was a desire on the part of Jews and European powers alike to relocate surviving Jews outside of Europe right after the war. (There was also a desire on the part of European powers to relocate Jews long BEFORE the war, but that’s equally irrelevant to what a political solution to today’s problems looks like.)[/quote]

That’s true that they needed a place after WW2.

The question is—in 2025 does the State of Israel make world wide Jews safe? [/quote]
What are you trying to say? Let's get rid of Israel?  Does driving out the millions of Jews who currently live there make the world more safe for Jews?[/quote]

Why is driving them out unavoidable if the State of Israel is politically reorganized into an actual democratic nation state?[/quote]

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