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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.[/quote]

We get obese working long hours at assigned seats in office buildings that we can't walk to from where we live.  But we produce plenty of market value before interventions are required.

Eating garbage food also fattens the profits of the fast food industry and most food conglomerates.  This also has contributed to economic growth as the agriculture sector has been transformed by this change in consumer habits.

You're only looking at the externalities and not the full accounting.

RTO takes personal commute time people could devote to exercise and reassign it to a polluting, sedentary pastime.  Yet many conservatives believe RTO is "productive".

You cannot blame people for every consequence of our obesogenic culture.[/quote]
I drive 45 minutes each way, to an office where I sit for 9+ hours, 5 days a week, and I am not even remotely close to overweight. Take responsibility for your choices.[/quote]
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When the vast majority of the population is overweight (I am actually not overweight so spare me your "advice"), there is something systemic that is wrong. Obviously people have agency, but many people struggle to lose weight because our bodies did not evolve to lose weight, rather to gain it.[/quote]

People struggle to loose weight because their diet is crap and they don't get exercise.  All you need to do is walk 10K steps per day (done in 45 -60 mins total) and eat healthier.  Cut out crap and eat Whole Foods and ditch carbs that are not from fruits and veggies.  
People also don't want to fix their issues, they just want a pill, which typically has other side effects, so they need another pill, etc........

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Are Americans as a whole less willing to "fix their issues" than Europeans who have much lower obesity rates? Why?[/quote]

Most europeans walk way more than we do.  They also routinely eat much better---Whole Foods and a lot less crap is eaten in Europe.  
Just go look at portion sizes at restaurants---you rarely will need a carryout box in Europe.

And yes, most Americans are not willing to "fix their issues".  They complain complain complain but don't want to address the real issues.  I get it, it's hard to do once you are 50lbs+ overweight.  I just don't get how you let yourself get there.  If I got 10lbs over my ideal weight, I adjust my diet and focus on walking more. In the office, I take the stairs, as long as I'm not carrying a ton.  You can get 2-4K steps during the day from just doing that.  I get out to walk for 10 mins with lunch and I make an effort to eat healthy 
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Btw I am not obese so spare me your "advice" - and btw people have been giving this advice for decades and the obesity crisis has only grown so maybe save your breath.

I totally agree that the US should look to Europe. They walk more because their cities are designed differently. They eat better because their food supply is more regulated and people work fewer hours, so they have more time to cook. I would love for the US to be more like Europe but we designed our communities to be car dependent and let the food industry guide our health guidance.[/quote]

People are not consistently following the advice. You are talking about changing the structure to make the advice easier to follow (which I agree with!), but it has never stopped being good advice. [/quote]

Why continue doing something that doesn't work? You are wasting your time. Prior to the development of GLP-1 drugs, the medical establishment had a record of abject failure on helping people to lose weight. Your advice is not new. This is what doctors have been telling people for decades. People know they should exercise more and eat less. You're not adding anything by screeching this advice incessantly to them.[/quote]

It does work. People don’t consistently follow it.[/quote]

If you follow it for 6 months it will work.  If you only follow it for a week and return to your crappy habits, it wont'.

When someone is diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes there is an "optional" 4-5 sessions with a dietician/course with a nutritionist.  It's Optional and very short.  IMO it should be mandatory and continue for 3-6 months, with checkins every month for the rest of first year.  You can reverse diabetes with diet and exercise.  In reality, those courses should be available for pre-diabetics (A1C indicates that along with other tests).  The issue is doctors take perhaps a single 6 week course on nutrition, and then forget about it.  It's not a part of western medicine to look at diet as a real solution.  Which is sad.  Because diet and exercise can solve so many health issues, and it's not radical to eat Whole Foods and avoid sugar/baked goods, etc.

It works if you follow it.  But that requires discipline and the desire to help yourself and make your life better for the next 30+ years. But it's "easier to pop a pill" and not have to change anything in your life

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A challenge to all the fatshaming haters on this thread: If you think changing your habits is so easy, change your own for 6 months and report back. Don't say a single mean thing to anyone.

It's an easier challenge than the one you think the "lazy fats" are failing because you don't need to be mean to survive the way you need to eat food to survive, and saying kinder things isn't any more expensive than talking shit. Try it, and then come back and report how it was super easy, you never backslid, and you radically altered your life with minimal effort or consequence.

Until then, please kindly STFU with the sanctimonious "calories in, calories out" you and your blessed metabolism espouse. This isn't nearly as simple as you think, and you're not nearly as superior as you seem to feel about it.[/quote]

I don't fat shame or treat people meanly.  And yes I myself am 8 weeks into a "healthier diet", cutting out all sugars, baked goods, breads, and eating only whole foods and getting carbs from fruits and veggies.  I don't plan to change that ever again.  I only had 10lbs to loose and that dropped off immediately and I feel so much more energized from eating healthy.    I'm post menopausal so that was the cause of my weight gain---oh and the desire to eat bread, cookies, baked goods, and generally unhealthy items.

So yes, I have made the changes myself and don't plan to look back

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