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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"Road diet": is a ridiculous concept.  Roads were built in the first place to meet a need.  That need did not just go away, allowing road capacity to be reduced without affecting road users.  Adding additional pedestrian/bicycle/scooter capacity is one thing, but it's destructive if done by eliminating existing road capacity at the expense of existing road users who don't/can't use those alternative modes of transportation.  Wishful thinking about green and healthy bicycling doesn't magically create thousands of new daily bicycle riders who happily abandon cars for bicycles for long commutes in bad weather, wearing business attire.    [/quote]

If a road is unsafe, because people drive too fast on it, then a diet can be beneficial even if no alternate capacity is added.

If you preserve intersection capacity, which is usually the real bottleneck, then dropping a lane may not even negatively impact through-flow. [b]Part of this is because each additional lane is less useful than the one before it. People start weaving in and out of traffic, changing lanes and its harder to turn across multi-lane roads.[/b] This magnifies conflict points and leads to accidents. Accidents tend to bring roads to complete standstill. Single lane roads have far fewer accidents.

This is why road widening rarely "works." [/quote]

Transit planners are always spouting these embarrassing aphorisms. Y'all need to get out of the sociology department and study economics. [/quote]

I used to find it weird that driving advocates have such a limited understanding of traffic, but it makes sense once you realize they only are driving advocates because they don't understand traffic.

Do you truly believe that when a road goes from 2 lanes to 3 that it increased as much capacity as when it when from 1 to 2? Do you really think cars flow like a fluid in a pipe? You don't see cars bunch up in a lane? You don't see people change lanes resulting in someone having to hit their brakes? Why do multi-lane roads have more accidents than single lane roads?

That's before you even get to the issues of intersections, the wider you make a road, the harder it is to make a turn across one. People and businesses start demanding new stop-signs and signals as roads get wider. Surely you prefer to make an unprotected left across one lane than three? You must realize this at some level, even if it counteracts your linear lane increase concept. [/quote]

You are my stereotype of transit planners. They ignore all the big issues with safety like drunk driving and stoned driving and a complete lack of police enforcement of traffic laws and poorly designed intersections and people texting while driving and an epidemic of road rage and ridiculous amounts of double parking and the creeping sense creating by mopeds/cyclists/scooters doing whatever they want that only suckers obey traffic laws, and instead they obsesses over minor issues like the number of lanes. [/quote]

Ignore? Who got traffic stops and pursuit outlawed? Who opposes camera enforcement, interlock devices and speed governors? Who does the double parking and parks at bus stops?

It wasn't "traffic planners" and you know that.

In the zero enforcement environment drivers have created, design is the last tool left to reduce the carnage.

This is the world of your own making. 
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Can the DC folks shut up? Thus entire thread is for people who actually live in the impacted area. Your post makes it obvious that you are focused on DC laws and enforcement and commute issues and do not know jack about living and commuting and the roads of outer Fairfax county.

Louder for the folks in the back:

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT FAIRFAX COUNTY NOT DC. [/quote]
Bruh, you’re posting on a DC Urban forum, if you didn’t want our input you could’ve posted on that other site…[/quote]

You're posting about DC laws that do not apply (like whether police chase, lol) in Fairfax County as to why Fairfax County does not need a road diet. Maybe try living in the county before you decide whether a road diet is actually useful, Bruh. I moved from DC so I know why those laws are debatable in DC but your entire argument about it applying as the cause of accidents in outer Fairfax county is hilarious. I mean, our school crossing guards are even cops. Police out here do not hesitate to pull people over for traffic infractions, using your cell phone while driving, and more.

-Actually live in Fairfax county
-Do not bike
-Commute to DC for work
-In just a year of living here, gave seen multiple bad accidents or pedestrians struck because of poorly designed roads, usually because everyone is going 50mph on a multi lane highway road with schools and supermarkets and shopping and regular single family homes. A teen was killed a few months ago just crossing to get to the library.

BRING ON ROAD DIETS. [/quote]

DP to post, maybe we could start with intersections along Fairfax County Parkway where people are turning left bringing their kids two min away to get across it just to get to an elementary school, a major recreation center for soccer practice, or to get to Giant and grab Advil, because the neighborhood was designed weirdly and forced people onto a highway rather than being able to drive or walk to a shopping center a couple minutes away.

At night it is a blinking yellow arrow on a highway just to make a left to buy groceries. Or how about Keene Mill Road which is not much better? That is where the teen died and seems like there is a bad accident frequently from people turning and getting smashed.
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