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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maybe $3500 iPhones are good - it will drive competition and [b]make people think before upgrading to a new phone every year which is a disaster for the environment. We love our cheap stuff but has anyone really sat down and thought about whether it actually is good or bad in the long run?[/b][/quote]

Tariffs or no, the bolded has been an issue for me for a long time. Being environmentally conscious means nothing if we are dumping our tech devices so frequently. We buy the best products we can afford at the time and hold on to them for a long time. My car is old (20+ years), but has 120k miles, good mileage for a gas powered vehicle (32 mpg on highway, 27mpg locally), and still passes emissions and safety inspections with flying colors. Debatable whether recycling it and other cars every five years is better than holding onto this vehicle. Similar on electronic devices.

Not happy about tariffs but if it gets people to be more environmentally responsible, they will have some positive effect. [/quote]

Driving  20 year old car is not good for the environment.[/quote]

But putting a new car every four to five years into the dump is??? Even recycling the parts costs energy (hauling the parts, melting them down, etc.). [/quote]

Don’t forget the environmental cost of manufacturing and recycling 4 new cars.[/quote]

New car are better for the environment because old cars leak fluids and shed plastics and metal. Plus the older cars pollute more vs newer cars. [/quote]

What are your talking about???? My car does not leak. It does very well on emissions tests. This is not some 1980s 8 cylinder behemoth. It is a sedan. Mechanics regularly ask if I would sell it to them ans oddly enough strangers have approached me about it as recently as last week.

My closest and dearest friend has had 6 cars in the time I’ve had this car. The most recent ones have been EVs. Not all of them have had long lives even after resale (she has known or lived closed to people who bought her cars). Producing cars that last only a few years before being resold / scrapped is not a good environmental solution. Producing few cars that last longer is the right solution. Ditto our tech devices and appliances. It may not be great for corporate bottom lines and worker pay checks but it is better for the planet.

Don’t get me started on the environmental impacts of bitcoin like operations. [/quote]

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