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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I grew up in a completely atheistic society, with no exposure to God or religion whatsoever. In elementary school, my teachers dismissed the idea of God as a relic of the past—something people believed in back when they also thought the earth was flat. But now, they told us, we have science and know better.

As I progressed into more advanced science classes in high school, I had a realization that changed everything. The world around us isn’t just a collection of random occurrences—it operates with remarkable precision, like an intricate, well-designed system. Our bodies, for example, contain multiple interdependent systems, each serving a specific function with clear purpose. And purpose-driven design always points to intelligence.

I thought about it this way: if you were walking on a deserted island and stumbled upon a system that collected rainwater and stored it in a barrel, you wouldn’t assume it appeared by accident. You’d immediately recognize that an intelligent being must have built it. Structures with purpose don’t arise from random chaos.

That’s how I began to see scientific processes—not as accidents, but as evidence of an extraordinary intelligence behind them. If it takes intelligence to understand the world, then it must have taken an even greater intelligence to create it. That was the moment I realized—there is undeniably a Creator of this universe.

After that realization, I felt a need to connect with the God I had discovered.  I had the opportunity to spend two months living in a monastery, an experience that changed me in ways I never expected. It wasn’t through intellectual reasoning that I found God there, but through my heart. That time brought me a deep sense of joy and led me to completely re-evaluate my life. It’s an experience that will always stay with me, and I am deeply grateful for it.[/quote]

That's the watchmaker argument.

1. If that is your worldview, please name one thing that isn't "designed".  You can't, because you believe everything was designed, in which case there would be no way to tell the difference, rendering the conclusion moot.

2. In addition to that false logic, you then make the gigantic leap to the conclusion that the "designs" were created by a supernatural being, who is outside of time and space and directly involved in our lives, with no evidence or logic for that.

3. Then, beyond that, you claim "if it takes intelligence to understand the world, then it must have taken an even greater intelligence to create it." which puts you in to infinite regress as then what created the creator?  If suddenly one is not necessary, then one is never necessary for "creation".

Three strikes, you're out.  It's a poor logical foundation.[/quote]

And it ignores that for such a "watchmaker" argument, he's a terrible designer/engineer. One would expect such a powerful entity capable of creating the universe to have perfected systems, instead they are haphazard and flawed. We humble humans already have better designs on many things than nature. [/quote]

But -- I learned it at church -- so it must be true![/quote]

And in earlier PP's case, they thought it up themselves (the watchmaker argument), so in their twisted logic, it's even more likely to 
be true.

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