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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This will last about 15 minutes before it is overturned on First Amendment grounds, but maybe the pro Israel folks can take a half minute to reflect on how bad it looks that they are lining up to support someone whose playbook is looking surprisingly Hitleresque, and what this might mean for the long term support of your country?

[b]As someone who married into the tribe, I can honestly say I don’t not care one bit if Israel seeks to exist tomorrow because I’m sick of them meddling in my country. And they only have themselves to blame. [/b][/quote]

Assume that this marriage is past tense.[/quote]

Present. And my actively Jewish spouse is sick of their crap, too. We live in America and not Israel for a reason. [/quote]

And she, like you, “doesn’t care if Israel [ceases] to exist”?

Strange sort of “actively Jewish” spouse you have.[/quote]

+1. My in-laws are all Jewish in various degrees of observance. My spouse is not religious but still considers himself Jewish. And the general consensus is that Israel has the right (and the imperative!) to exist and to defend itself. And also that Netanyahu and the West Bank settlers do Israel no favors. But that Hamas/Iran/etc are to blame here. [/quote]

The ratio of dead civilians on either side tells a different take. No one who kills twenty-five times more people than, as retribution, has the moral high ground.

What happened on Oct 7th what truly horrific. But Israel lost the moral high ground since. It's really sad, because they had all the free nations of the world on their side in the aftermath of Oct 7th, DESPITE oppressing the Palestinians for decades.

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Disagree.  The response to Oct 7 has been designed to eliminate the threat and to obtain the release of the hostages, not to exact some kind of moral equivalence.  As long as Hamas maintains a military capability and holds hostages, Hamas is fair game.  That they hide among civilians does not reduce the threat they pose, or reduce the impact of their continuing to hold hostages.

The carnage in Gaza could end immediately, if Hamas releases the hostages and lays down its arms.  Until then, there is a moral imperative that the efforts to obliterate them continue.  They hold the keys to stopping civilian casualties.   [/quote]
You sound simple.
Netanyahu could have obtained the release of the hostages a long time ago.
He wants his ‘mighty vengeance’ against ‘human animals’ and the generation that followed the holocaust is ready to kill them all
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"Simple"?  Only if you're good with the notion of Israel surrendering to extortion by Hamas as the only way to reclaim the hostages.  Never mind that doing that won't do anything to prevent future Hamas terror activity.    Absent that premise, the only possible effective response is to eliminate the hostage takers (and, not incidentally, murders and rapists).  It's true, it's not a complicated concept.  [b]Engage in murder, rape, and kidnapping, and face a response[/b] which is designed, appropriately, to overwhelmingly eliminate the current and future threat of more of the same.  [/quote]

But can't you see that from the Palestinian lived experience ISRAEL is the one that has engaged in murder, rape and kidnapping?

We can trace history back and I am sure in your mind the original sin does not lie with Israel BUT if you ever want peace and security for the region you must acknowledge the other's perspective. [/quote]

The zionists will never be able to see that it's not as simple as "oh they attacked us on October so we retaliated". They fail to see that Israel has been subjecting the people of Palestine to inhumane conditions, taking away their freedoms, their lively hood, and their land too (the settlements that are illegal per international law). Whenever you say something against Israel, these people automatically will say "you are being antisemitic".

Shame, you would think that people (Israeli's) that were subjected to genocide (WW2) would know better and not subject another people (Palestinians) to genocide. [/quote]

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