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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are you also talking about schools like Case Western, Tulane that are not technically in US News's t50 anymore?[/quote]

USNWR is what educators, parents,  students look to first for a general sense before true research takes place.

Anyone can quibble with USNWR methodology, etc. ( funny how people complain when the methodology doesn't suit their preferred school), but any ranking in T75 covers any "slippage."

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Well the USNWR methodology removed Class size from its process a few years ago.  Which is shocking, as many of us (smartly) think that smaller class sizes does lead to better educational opportunities.  Much easier to learn in a room with 30-40 students where you can actively ask questions than in a lecture hall with 200+.  
So yes, I will complain when the most recent changes basically moved many smaller (under 8K) private schools down 5-10 spots and put large state schools in their place.  Because I know the smaller private schools are actually still better schools.

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Facts. For example I think BC is a better school than a lot of the massive publics currently ranked above it. And Rutgers is a solid state flagship. But Top 50? Please. [/quote]

You think BC is better than Cal or UCLA or Michigan?   At the end of the day if a school is not currently ranked in the top 50, then it is not a top 50 ranked school. It's pretty simple. [/quote]
DP. BC's current rank is 37. The PP didn't specify Cal/UCLA/UMich. However, there are a number of other publics ranked above BC: UVA, UNC, UFlorida, UT Austin, UCI, UCD, UIUC.[/quote]

According to the rankings, these schools are ranked higher than BC, which indicates they are considered better. While someone might prefer BC or wish it were ranked higher than those public schools, the rankings do not reflect that.[/quote]
What makes a school "better" overall - in this case, publics moving up due to change in Pell weights - does not make a school produce a better graduate and which schools are "better" did not suddenly change just because the ranking changed.

The rankings reflect what US News wants them to reflect.[/quote]

1000%

So if you believe a large state school is a better education for your UMC+ kid, simply because the rankings include that now, go for it.

I will continue to believe the rankings are flawed and that access to professors, smaller class sizes,a nd all the opportunities that come with a much smaller undergrad population are in reality a better education. I don't need USNWR to tell me that.

Firstly, at most smaller Universities in the T100, your kid can select any major they want.  No Hunger Games 2,.0 to attempt to get one of a few slots (if any) if your kid was not Direct Admitted to Business, CS, Engineering, any stem major, etc.  I consider it a better education if my kid can freely change majors or add one or add a minor, actually get into what they want and graduate in 4 years.  My Flagship state U is T50, ranked (after the changes ) about the same as the top private school my kid is attending. The difference is, my kid did not have to have a 4.0 freshman/soph year to get into the exact engineering major they wanted (they were lucky enough to be admitted at the State University to Engineering, but then you fight for the exact major).  My kid was also able to add a CS minor at their 50 private school, at the Flagship U (Top 5 for CS), it is not a possibility, even direct admit is damn near impossible.  You simply cannot just take a CS course unless you are in the major already.  
So yeah, my kid is getting a much better education.  They get ALL THE courses they need the first time---many at State U take 5+ years because they cannot get into classes, they fill up and you are stuck.  And if my kid decided to change majors, they can and are not forced into a "non impacted major" like art history or English (almost every STEM/Business/CS/Eng at the State University are impacted and difficult to get into).

So yeah, no way in hell the two schools are similar in quality---my kid is getting a much better education, access to research starting sophomore year (real meaningful research), TAing courses starting in Soph year, etc.  No comparison at all
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