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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The writers seem to blame it on careerism when really it’s just a lower quality student who doesn’t care about education. A lot of students are in it for the jobs, and don’t care at all about what they learn, [b]shown by the rise of Econ and CS majors everywhere.[/b][/quote]

Perhaps at Harvard those majors are not rigorous. At many other universities they are. I know many smart kids from those majors (not from H).

Harvard has long been known as the hardest Ivy to get in, easiest to graduate from. Opposite of Cornell.[/quote]

Like PP says, it matters very little. I need employee who are equal parts collaborative, analytical, quantitative and creative. Good luck finding these people in the most rigorous programs. [b]Most of them lean anxious/rigid non collaborative.[/b][/quote]

That’s what the entire T30 student body is these days, now. That is what this admissions process heavily selects towards. The days of the [b]quirky friendly geniuses[/b] are long gone. [/quote]

They're at flagship honors colleges and LACs.[/quote]

Not at the top LACs. You want me to believe there is a single quirky, friendly genius anywhere on the Swarthmore, Williams, or Amherst campuses these days? Please. Have you been on those campuses lately?

State schools — not even necessarily flagships — yes. That’s where the quirky friendly geniuses are. [/quote]

Yeah, I've been to all three and the culture was noticably more chill and friendly than the Ivies we visited. Maybe not Williams so much, but yes at Amherst and Swarthmore. But I also agree plenty of brilliant kids at state honors colleges these days.[/quote]

[b]Amherst redesigned their campus residences on purpose so no large parties could happen. It is unquestionably grim, and intolerant of the quirky genius kids.[/b] [/quote]

The two statements appear to be unrelated.

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They are entirely related. It goes to what Amherst wants out of a student body, and quirky geniuses (who value fun, because that is how they get their creativity fed) are not welcome. [/quote]

I don't buy the premise that there is a connection between big parties and quirky geniuses, sorry. I think you have a different understanding of "quirky" than most.[/quote]

Large parties means game nights, robotics hacking, rooms set up with DJs, etc. It does not mean frat parties.

I was at Stanford back when Stanford valued fun and creativity. Those large spaces were absolutely critical. Amherst gas systemically removed them. [/quote]

Those are not large parties, lol. Are you actually suggesting game nights and robotics events are prohibited at Amherst? From an Amherst student one year ago: "In terms of the social scene, I'd break down the population as 30-40% hardcore going out/party types, another 40% still social and going to some parties but also mixing it with campus events, and then maybe 20% very insular/introverted types. The social scene at Amherst is partially parties but then there are concerts, student events that are more casual like performance nights at the art theme house where students go up and play music or sing, movie nights, bonfires, etc. In general you will get a mix of people and it's not extremely nerdy, though there are some people like that."[/quote]

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