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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I know I love graphs that don't cite their source and have unreadable labels! [/quote]

Don’t take me long to find info:

https://oakmn.org/the-growth-in-school-administration-is-a-major-reason-why-we-need-school-choice/#:~:text=Instead%2C%20the%20growth%20in%20the,staff%20growing%20a%20whopping%2088%25![/quote]

Of course, it's the school choice MFers...
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Er, your vulgar language aside, I assume you are referring to proponents of vouchers when you wrote “school choice” ?

Not sure that issue is at all relevant here.[/quote]

The Minnesota based website that had the questionable graph posts articles on school choice only.  They use the “school choice” language not “proponents of vouchers”.  You should know that the terms are interchangeable.

That issue is very relevant.  Their whole purpose is to put their children in religious schools and have the government foot the bill.   They are not a credible source.  And look who’s retweeting it.[/quote]

DP. Are you questioning the accuracy of the information, or are you simply upset about its source?

This isn’t political to me. This is about a job that is so demanding that teachers are climbing over each other for a way out. Some quit. Some jump to admin, and then create work to justify their existence. It’s all in an effort to avoid the classroom.

So you don’t have to like the data. Many teachers are still going to tell you their experiences are aligned with that chart. Each year brings more admin, more tasks and projects to support the new admin, and more burned out teachers. Repeat. Repeat. [/quote]

I automatically dismiss “facts” in articles with extreme bias either conservative or liberal.  Their agenda is for the government to pay for their religious schools.  They wouldn’t publish information that disputes it.   They aren’t a news source.

None of us can speak for a whole nation of schools.   I know our schools are doing fine.  On the other hand my sister lives in a middle class suburb and we were discussing books my daughter is reading in 7th grade.   My niece, who is graduating from college in May, told us that they watched the movies in 8th grade but didn’t read the books.  [/quote]

No, you don’t know if your schools are doing fine. Somebody can look at the schools I’ve worked in for years and thought they were “fine”, but they were being held together by teachers who go far beyond their contract requirements.

Your school isn’t sharing the behind-the-scenes chaos with you, so you don’t know which teacher lost their planning period for the 5th day in a row to subbing. You also don’t know which administrator made every teacher lose a valuable hour so the administrative pet project could get some attention. [/quote]

They’re fine when it comes to the issues people are saying are happening at their schools.  They are reading full books.   They are learning grammar and spelling.  It doesn’t look like they do anything differently than when I was in school academically.   The biggest improvement in learning is computers.   [/quote]

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