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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?[/quote]

There are not many big clubs at this meet.  The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.[/quote]

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs.  It certainly takes a faster time to final.  It’s a really fast meet. [/quote]

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet.  Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast. [/quote]
To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI.  Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts.  NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".  [/quote]

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)[/quote]

By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?

If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)[/quote]

A lot of them move to NCAP.  [/quote]

Also NP but if every good kid needs to switch teams you don’t have a good team, however a girls Olympic Trials qualifier switching is a totally different situation. She needs higher level training partners which she will get with the NCAP boys (which are way better than Mako boys)[/quote]
I don’t disagree. But I think the point getting lost is that she already achieved an incredible outcome before the switch.  
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People get that but are pointing out that her cohort was older kids and as those kids age out she’s left with kids her own age that not only cannot push her, but probably can’t even keep up with the basic level of training she needs. [/quote]

And if you look at her times there are quite a few NCAP females that are her age that are definitely a cohort.  Not to mention the ones that might be older or male.

https://swimstandards.com/rankings?page=1

She has a true training group.[/quote]

It’s not just about the training cohort. The top groups from the various NCAP sites go to much faster meets outside of PVS.  They had a meet in Charlottesville instead of the October open then the NOVA Sr Classic in Richmond. Going to bigger and faster meets also helps prepare you.[/quote]

Anybody that’s been to Olympic Trials is qualified for the biggest USA swimming meets.  Don’t delude yourself that those other meets mean anything. [/quote]

But they do.  They are better pools with faster kids.  It is not just training but practicing racing and NCAP meets are faster.  Where other kids making Olympic qualifying cuts are also competing. Instead of attending an Open where no one is close to your speen you are at a venue with multiple competition pools, cool down pools and fast kids that have come from many states.  The meets you attend is part of the better competition.

Look up the fast kids nationwide and you see kids from all over but certain clubs tend to have more. [/quote]

Makos doesn’t even do open meets.  I understand what you’re saying and disagree respectfully. [/quote] 
They host meets that have even lighter competition than the Opens, and they do participate in Opens. Last fall that swimmer did a Makos meet, Oct Open, Swim and Rock, US Open and Winter Classic. This year it will be Oct Open, NOVA Senior Classic, US Open and NCI. I know it’s frustrating for clubs like Fish and Makos to lose amazing swimmers to the NCAP machine, but it’s crazy to say a truly elite swimmer can get the same competitive experience at Makos as they can at NCAP. [/quote]

Not a makos guy, but one of the last truly elite swimmers from the area was with makos from start to age 18, and was the #1 recruit in the country. [/quote]
Really, who is this? I’m actually curious. [/quote]

I just pulled up the Mako club records— they probably mean Anthony Grimm?[/quote]

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