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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62rmv63069o

At the bottom of this article it mentions that “all forms of surrogacy” are banned in Italy, France, Germany, and Spain.  This really surprises me that Western European countries, that are typically rather progressive, at least compared to the U.S. would have this type of policy. [/quote]

Did you know that they also ban abortion in the third trimester?[/quote]
Third trimester is week 28-40. That’s late and very rare. [/quote]

So?

3rd trimester elective termination is still 100% lawful in D.C., New Jersey,  and several other U.S. states, but is BANNED by these supposedly “progressive” EU countries.[/quote]

Those EU countries have government funded abortion. [/quote]

But they restrict elective abortions much earlier.  Even Finland has a 12 week limit.

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Still much more reasonable than certain US states which ban it completely.[/quote]

It's also hard to compare to the US because bothe the healthcare and political environments are so different. The definition of "elective abortion" is narrower there and has no impact on a woman's ability to access a medically necessary abortion (or simply healthcare that will make a naturally occurring miscarriage safer), plus healthcare us easier for poor people to access. So the abortion restrictions there can be more narrowly about the ethical/philosophical choice to terminate a healthy pregnancy. As in the US there are people who believe a woman should always retain this right even into the final trimester but more people believe that at some point the fetus gains some relief guts of personhood. So several countries do limit late term elective abortion.

But in the US the anti-abortion lobby is so severe and refuses any compromise. So we are forced to argue over stuff like whether a 13 yo raise victim should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term or whether a woman who needs an abortion to avoid risk of death should have to get permission from her spouse or the state. In the EU these questions are more settled with sanity prevailing. But US politics and healthcare force us to keep litigating them.

It's a very different landscape.[/quote]

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