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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Catholic school for non-Catholics (or non-observant Catholics) is simply for avoiding the poor, brown and disabled. [/quote]

This is so offensive. I am Catholic and send my kids to Catholic school. The people who are not Catholic have often chosen the school because it offers things that the public schools do not - phonics based instruction, arithmetic, cursive, and similar. It also has a lot more rules and expectations of conduct, as well as a big focus on virtues. [/quote]

This is so weird. I mean, imagine thinking phonics is a desirable teaching method or caring about cursive in 2024… Talk about outdated curricula.

But whatever.

This notion that publics don’t teach arithmetic is hilarious though.

Look, I could see the value of going to a private school with a distinctly different approach — say, inquiry-based, game-based, a flipped classroom or some other pedagogy not found in your typical public school.

But phonics??? And cursive??? Saying you want phonics and cursive as if those are some kind of differentiator instead of the regressive methods they are deny that you’re just trying to avoid the brown and disabled kids?

Milk came out of my nose I was laughing so hard.

I cannot believe someone justifies private school tuition for <checks notes> … phonics.

lol [/quote]

Flipped classrooms, inquiry-based, and game-based have no data to suggest they increase educational outcomes.

Phonics and cursive do.

Catholic schools have been getting these things right for many years. Many public schools went all in with Lucy Caulkins with disastrous results. Game-based education will probably lead to the same. [/quote]

Inquiry based learning, in fact, has been shown to reduce student outcomes: https://www.cis.org.au/publication/why-inquiry-based-approaches-harm-students-learning/

[quote]Kalenze’s experience lines up with what scientists have discovered in recent decades: that acquiring factual information isn’t a useless, soul-crushing exercise; it’s the prerequisite for higher-order thinking. Asking students who don’t know much about a topic to learn through inquiry or “discovery” is inefficient at best. Projects and hands-on activities often waste precious time. Engagement is crucial, but it’s quite possible for students to be highly engaged without learning anything important.[/quote]
(https://theamericanscholar.org/why-so-many-kids-struggle-to-learn/)

The only method that has a long history of being proven by rigorous studies of achieving good outcomes for all students despite teacher quality is direct instruction, aka the good old fashioned teaching people go to parochial school for. See: Project Follow Through, the US's longest running educational study: https://www.nifdi.org/what-is-di/project-follow-through.html[/quote]

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