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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I know people like this too. One of my friends might be a little surprised how much she misses government if it stops working, given her personal situation, which I won't get into.

The Democrats completely sold out back in 1992. Ross Perot has been proven right, as goofy as the man was.

But really, the USA couldn't possibly maintain the 50s and 60s economic position, which was because of the resolution of WWII. We won. Big time. So did the USSR, but they took so much more damage and economic communism kinda sucks.

However, the Democrats sold out and created this neoliberal mess. So here we are. It's just too late. [/quote]

Uh, I think you mean neocon mess.

If the US had wanted to get back to the 1950's and 60's prosperity, then it needed a tax regime to match, but the Reaganites demolished that opportunity.[/quote]

Yup. That's true. Reaganism took the mess created by the 70s economic shocks and turned the US into a more unequal society. But in 1992, the Democrats capitulated to win an election. And they came up with their own version--neoliberalism with welfare reform. Oh and NAFTA. And here we are.

I don't expect anything from Reagan. But the gerontocracy that sold out in the 1990s is mostly still there! Is there any reason to think they would excite the average voter? [/quote]
NAFTA was started under Reagan, under a different name.  I am old enough to remember the maquiladora program (my father's factory job went there).

It was negotiated under Bush Sr, then completed in 1992, which was then signed by  Clinton.  (I voted for Bush Sr).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

[quote]The impetus for a North American free trade zone began with U.S. president Ronald Reagan, who made the idea part of his 1980 presidential campaign. After the signing of the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement in 1988, the administrations of U.S. president George H. W. Bush, Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, and Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney agreed to negotiate what became NAFTA. [/quote][/quote]
forgot to add.. Clinton may have signed the deal but he put provisions in there to protect workers and the environment.

[quote]Before sending it to the United States Senate, Clinton added two side agreements, the North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation (NAALC) and the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation (NAAEC), to protect workers and the environment, and to also allay the concerns of many House members[/quote]

Trump, with his great negotiating skills (/s), got rid of NAFTA, and replaced it with " United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement (USMCA)",  but "The new law involved only small changes", because in the end, Trump capitulated to corporations and some of the red state politicians that wanted to keep NAFTA.

[quote]John Murphy, vice-president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce declared that a number of the proposals tabled by the United States had "little or no support" from the U.S. business and agriculture community."[138] Pat Roberts, the senior U.S. senator from Kansas, said it was not clear "who they're intended to benefit", and called for push back against the anti-NAFTA moves as the "issues affect real jobs, real lives and real people". Kansas is a major agricultural exporter, and farm groups warned that just threatening to leave NAFTA might cause buyers to minimize uncertainty by seeking out non-US sources[/quote][/quote]

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