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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Harvard's reputation has definitely suffered in the past couple of years but it's still popular. But if it has some more high profile controversies, it will go downhill fast. PP is right in that they have been letting in a large crop of unimpressive TO students.[/quote]

Why are their students not impressive?  Some people seem to think that Harvard has lost prestige because they have some students and faculty that have been critical of Israel.  [/quote]

That's merely a blip. But it is part of a larger pattern. Harvard admits for undergrad these days are generally not regarded as the best and brightest. And there's a large activist contingent - protesting for the sake of protesting something.

Grad programs are different though. Outside of a few mediocre programs like Kennedy, it's the reason Harvard maintains its academic prestige. [/quote]

I used to think that the business school was Harvard's power center, but now I think it's the law school.  The sheer amount of global power in the alumni of that one part of the institution is just absurd: foreign and domestic heads of state, legislators, SC justices, fortune 500 CEO, entertainment execs, billionaire investors and their billionaire children, authors, national security agents, intellectuals, etc.  This doesn't even include their absolutely rock star faculty.   I think that one part of the university is responsible for a large part of the Harvard reputation, and my hunch is that once they realize it the law school administration is going to start demanding a lot more in terms of resources from the rest of the university.  No more crumbling buildings that look like an inner city slum.  [/quote]
Graduate school is not undergrad — and is program specific. Yale Law is more prestigious than Harvard Law. Which you should know…
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Not in global rankings, and not in any meaningful way (i.e., other than US News and various internet weirdos that fixate on their weird methodology.)  The depth and reach of Harvard law is frankly unmatched.  [/quote]
Yeah, no; this is not even debatable. Nobody cares about global rankings and what you internationals think…everyone in the U.S. legal community knows Yale is the top (bull)dog. [/quote]

Very NPC take.  [/quote]
It’s not really a “take”; you are just showing your ignorance.[/quote]

THe peer reputation subscores in US news rankings have always been the same or higher for Harvard.  Not that rankings matter, but I hardly think it's "not even debatable"[/quote]
“Not even debatable” refers to a certain subset of individuals to which you clearly do not belong.

On another note, if you are the “cart before the horse” poster who deems Harvard’s esteem as being driven by its law school, I can assure you that it is “not even debatable” that Harvard’s esteem derives — and has always derived — from “Harvard College.” The same is true for all elite American schools. Conflating graduate school with undergraduate school prestige is an international thing for those unfamiliar with the U.S. educational system.[/quote]

I am not the poster you are referring to, and I'm definitely not international,  but I think s/he has a point.  A lot of the famous alumni people point to (the  are actually law school, not college graduates.

I am not a graduate of either, but I have been a biglaw partner, and I definitely think it's debatable which law school is better.  Harvard, if I recall correctly, often beats Yale in various peer academic and judge ratings.  At least the faculty at HLS seems more impressive, but I think that may actually be because YLS' faculty has fallen over the years.  For what it's worth, which may not be much, I know if I was a student being presented with the choice today, I would prefer HLS.

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