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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wake in a landslide [/quote]

Yes, Wake.
Wake has a much more academic vibe, and is most similar to an elite/T15 (and was commonly T25 until USnews took all importnat metrics out of rankings). UGA and Tulane are not close to Wake considering outcomes(MD, Law, other grad placement, careers).[/quote]

The fact you have to reference the rankings and somehow explain why they are wrong makes it plain that you care far too much about those exact rankings.

If Wake was similar to a T15…it would be ranked in the T15 which actually didn’t lose their rankings at all.

Everyone…stop crying about the rankings.[/quote]

No one is crying about the rankings; they just ignore them now because they actually care more about factors like how many kids from top of HS class and small class sizes, versus DEI outcomes.[/quote]

It's really funny watching people cling to the "old" rankings, yet also trying to convince others to ignore the "new" rankings. You don't get to have it both ways. Either the rankings have always been a crapshoot, or you need to accept the new formula. [/quote]

Actually no.   The new are only relevant if you highly value performance and percentage of Pell grant eligible and first gen.  If you care about factors like class size and who is teaching the class, the old are better.  [/quote]

People blindly trusted USNWR rankings when it was convenient. Let’s not pretend they were ever college experts. [/quote]

Rankings were based on quantifiable measures of academic achievement and desirable aspects of a college experience for me before. I am not interested in how a child how is 1st Gen will do. I know others are interested in that. [/quote]
This is stupid. A college that can graduate and support 1st gen students is likely doing amazing for your average student. You have to have on-campus resources that are reliable and helpful for students who are first gen to get through. So yes, you should care, because that stat means your child has more resources on campus. The ivies are undoubtedly one of the best places for a first-gen student to go to college. Berkeley, a massive state school, also happens to be one, because they invest heavily into supporting and recruiting first gen students and, oh yeah, Berkeley has world class resources for all students.[/quote]

Not previous poster, but these resources are devoted to 1st Gen & Pell and not to the rest of the class.[/quote]
This is just not true. Some of the biggest contributions to college campuses due to the arrival of first gen students have been Writing programs, Tutor programs, and Quantitative skills center. They don't "appear" for first gen students, but these were created to increase the graduation rates of schools since the bottom were falling out, and now they have become the standard for colleges. Here's another example we just accept but dont critically think about how they were made to support fgli students: paying students to take up unpaid internships. Improving campus community so fgli students can succeed has many benefits for the whole campus, because it requires solutions that help all students.

Also last obvious way that more fgli students has improved most people in here's college search: financial aid has become much more substantial than the past.[/qu

So the private schools that dropped in the rankings (like a Vanderbilt and Dartmouth) have fewer resources than the State Schools that rose up? These things may have been added at State schools, but they have always existed at private schools. And just because the rankings changed this one year, doesn't mean that the schools have changed. A TA teaching a class of 100+ kids vs. a PhD teaching a class of 15-25 is and enormous difference in resources. How does this square with your argument? It doesn't. [/quote]

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