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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Certain schools will undoubtedly bring back standardized testing requirements but plenty of other colleges will remain test optional or test blind.[/quote]

Dummies need somewhere to go.

Lower ranked schools are fearful of getting enough students so will remain TO.

There will be a chasm. [/b]Elite schools aren’t going to let other schools report higher test score averages when they are using only 25% of total accepted to achieve those averages and the elites are using 100% of students.[b][/quote]

This. Hopkins is going to sink. You can’t have fewer students TO submitting scores and use it against a 100% test required school.  Elites are falling like Dominoes. [/quote]
The elites have been doing fine. With all this data, no one has shown any significant changes in yield. The TO kids are still smart students, they are graduating fine, and the elite schools are still elite. The only people struggling from TO are admissions departments.[/quote]

Literally every school that went test optional due to COVID has said the opposite but ok, stay in denial.[/quote]

+1. and the most recent studies have shown that test optional was a failure, which is shy school after school is droping it[/quote]
Every study, and yet the only change has been yield rates. The ivies have no graduation crisis currently. Clearly, it is just too much work for the admissions departments to differentiate through applications, so they need another filter. For decades, they've admitted they can hit a randomize button and build a perfectly fine class. It's an overblown admissions problem, not a student one.[/quote]

What are you even blathering on about?! The UT - Austin study already blew your position sky high, FFS. There was nearly a - 0.75 grade point difference between the enrolled students who had applied TO vs. the ones who had applied with test scores. Persisting with the TO or test blind evangelism at this point is insanity.[/quote]

It was actually worse than that:

"Of 9,217 first-year students enrolled in 2023, those who opted in had an estimated average GPA of 0.86 grade points higher during their first fall semester, controlling for a wide range of factors, including high school class rank and GPA. Those same students were estimated to be 55% less likely to have a first semester college GPA of less than 2.0, all else equal."

So, normalizing on everything except test scores, TO kids were close to one full letter grade lower.[/quote]
That's because UT has a terrible admissions system in general in the name of "fairness." Their top 10% rule means anyone from podunk Texas to the most competitive suburbs qualify for automatic admission and make up 75% of the college. When you have that massive of a range in differentiation between student, of course, test scores matter, because a valedictorian at one school could be bottom of the class at a public magnet. UT also has so few resources to help its students and, like every state institution, has massive classes. They don't have resources to help you when you're lost, so you need to be at the top for engineering or business or cs.

Now, back to the top colleges. Stanford does not have this issue, neither do most of the top colleges going test required. Their applicant pools are filled with highly rigorous, smart top-of-the-line students. They are deciding between Choate's valedictorian and TJ's. This is a much less significant issue for the actual students, but the admissions offices are now clogged with applications.[/quote]

Nice try, but the UT study controlled for those factors (which you would know, if you bothered to inform yourself about it before spouting off).  Not to mention, my kid didn't attend UT, but we did take the campus tour, and the support services available there were more extensive than any other campus we visited.  [/quote]
You must’ve attended pretty shit schools if UT has more resources per student.[/quote]

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