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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Stumbled upon this just now. Rising sophomore at a WASP. My professors in the past year were as follows:

Fall: 
- Senior Lecturer (tenured teaching-only faculty), appointed in 2015
- Associate Professor, appointed in 2019
- Assistant Professor, appointed in 2022
- Associate Professor, appointed in 2012

Spring:
- Assistant Professor, appointed in 2023
- Associate Professor, appointed in 2013
- Professor on endowed chair, appointed in 2013
- Senior Lecturer, appointed pre-2009

Just for kicks, here's my schedule for the upcoming semester:

- Visiting Assistant Professor, appointed in 2023
- Assistant Professor, appointed in 2023
- Associate Professor, appointed in 2007
- Professor on endowed chair, appointed in 2004

That's 1 of 12. I am a double major in two departments known for being severely overenrolled. Is this good enough for you?[/quote]

So just one real professor?[/quote]

Assistant professors are tenure-track.

Associate professors are tenured.

Senior lecturers are permanent teaching faculty. PP described as tenured, so equivalent of associate.

Endowed are tenured.

So…all “real.”

Visiting could mean anything. At Williams, one of the regular visiting professors in the physics department is a cosmologist who has been instrumental at CERN, directed the Copernicus Astronomical Center in Warsaw, and is part of the permanent astronomy teaching faculty at the university of Warsaw. That’s a pretty good get for a small college in western Mass.

[b]Don’t quite understand the tenor of this thread. Feels like a few people are looking for the worst possible interpretation. [/b][/quote]

Pretty sure OP is a troll.
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You people think everyone is a troll. [/quote]

Come up with better posts then. These are contrived, topics are dug out from previous discussions and whoever is starting them is trying to keep people engaged in the summer lull for this thread but doing it in a grasping way.[/quote]
Or, instead of conspiracy, people just have differing opinions.[/quote]
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But opinions about what? That an associate or endowed or visiting professor isn't a "real" professor? That's not a differing opinion, that's just...not understanding academia.[/quote[/b]]

OP, I think you are thinking about this wrong.  Even when I went to college we had associate and assistant professors.  My better profs were, in fact, the younger, more energetic ones.  Often the tenured ones were off in their own research lands and no longer interested in helping the students learn.  That is the system.  You aren't entitled to 100% full professors anywhere.  I've never heard of such a thing.  They come up through the ranks at every school just like lawyers come up through the ranks in big law firms.  That you are paying 90K+ has nothing to do with the rankings of the professors.  That is being driven by the fact that when one school like USC, crosses over to $90K a year, all of the "lesser" schools think they can do it to . . . with the result that my so-so SLAC has gone from 86K to $95K is less than three years.  That is supply and demand and totally unrelated to your complaint about receiving "lesser" professors.[/quote]
OP never said anything about associate and assistant professors at all. They're complaining about the abundance of Visiting Professors who are not long-term hires, something that is very reasonable to complain about if you're looking for grad school recommenders or just stable departments.[/quote]

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