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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Michigan fraternities:

Hospitalizations buried this winter.

Including sexual abuse, torture (involving rear and inanimate objects) and extreme cold conditions while intoxicated - chugging entire bottles of vodka and dropping kids 10 miles from campus with no cell phone or money and requiring them to make their way back. Several hospitalized in January.

Michigan tolerates it openly.[/quote]

Geeds love to publicize these isolated and extreme cases, but 99% of what people call hazing in frats is just good natured fun designed to break down walls and bring the pledge class together. Scavenger hunts, harmless pranks, and the like. You'll probably be subjected to a bit of embarrassment during pledgeship, but honestly, if you can't laugh at yourself, you probably don't belong in a frat.[/quote]

Geeds?  What is it with this frat talk? I went to college on my own - independent since age 17.  The though of frats was unrealistic and laughable.  A bunch of social posturing for not very tough kids. I did work in a Teamsters facility to make money in the summer.  One rule applied as a college student lucky enough to get summer union wages- keep your mouth shut and work.  I can only imagine what would have happened to a guy talking frat talk and "geeds" at the union shop.  I would have initially laughed but the prospect of severe physical harm would have been present, so would have felt compelled to tell a clown like this to shut up and grow up.  I was fortunate enough to work with an Amherst guy who came from modest roots (his father owned a struggling dry cleaning shop), and he "got it".  We used to connect and non-verbally indicate it was time to shut up and work.  Heck, even the Northern Illinois University third baseman who had a father who was a capo in the mob knew just to shut up, even if he was the highest on the social ladder of the summer guys.   Again, I can only imagine what would have happened to a guy babbling about "geeds" would have fared.  [/quote]

What an incredibly helpful, interesting, and relevant story! Can't wait for the film adaptation. [/quote]

Can't wait to hear your stories of achievement! You must have no sense of humor. The thought of little Lord Fauntleroy spouting off  about"geeds" and other meaningless bs in front of the toughest and meanest guys on the planet (and protected too, by the Chicago police) is hilarious. I actually liked the union environment because you knew where you stood. No prancing. By any measure the opposite of Greek life.

In my day there was a huge conflict in my athletic conference over Greek life. Some AD's banned frat participation for scholarship guys. Others, including my school,did not. My coach certainly regretted permitting Greek participation. The most oft cited concern was hazing, as it was viewed as destructive to the team and was liability inducing in an environment where there were already liability drivers. The first AD to ban Greeks was at a big athletic school in the conference. He later became the Commissioner of the conference and did not make any moves at the conference level to ban Greeks. I wish he had led the cause. 
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How does your summer union job have anything to do with the topic at hand? Time for your nap, Pop Pop. [/quote]

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