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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Democrat here. I hate the orange baboon as much as the next sane person, but I don’t see the big deal in what Trump said here. He said
that the member countries who aren’t paying their fair share, aren’t meeting NATO defense spending requirements, and haven’t been for a long time shouldn’t expect America to come running to their defense.

Why is this wrong? How long are we going to expect America to subsidize European countries’ refusal to spend on their own defense? These countries have a safety net, socialized medicine, free college education, and other nice perks for their people. Over here in America, we get a kick in the teeth when we’re sick and the ponzi scheme that is social security, but we’re supposed to continue propping up Europeans’ lifestyles and protecting them when they don’t care to protect themselves?

Are people really thinking or just knee-jerk attacking Trump?[/quote]

+1 Europe provides educational assistance, free healthcare, etc, yo their citizens because they don’t have to recruit, arm, and maintain a military to defend themselves. They know we provide expensive and state of the art/advanced military technology and massive military manpower to defend them. And they don’t provide the funds needed to NATO, Trump points it out, and he’s a warmonger. It’s beyond ludicrous.[/quote]
Exactly. Partisanship is a helluva drug. The case that European members of NATO are free riding is incontrovertible and we’re apparently supposed to just keep paying their way or else we’re Neo-Nazis who want Hitler to return.[/quote]

Nobody is "free riding" and contrary to the BS that Trump has been peddling and what some of the partisan MAGA jokers here on DCUM want to claim, the NATO members defense expenditures have gone up significantly since Biden took office.  Yet Trump would still go ahead and disband NATO and let Putin steamroll them if he had his way.  It's disgusting.[/quote]

The number of NATO nations meeting or exceeding the alliance's spending target has continued to fall, according to the latest official estimates.

The UK is one of only eight nations out of 30 believed to be hitting the target and remains fourth in the list of proportional spending.

NATO sets alliance members the aim of spending 2% of their gross domestic product (GDP) on defence.

Up to June 2021, the alliance estimated that 10 nations were spending 2% or more of their GDP on defence.

But latest estimates show now only eight countries are achieving the target with Romania and France falling below the 2% threshold.

NATO data suggests the UK defence spending as a percentage of GDP dropped by 0.05 percentage points in 2021 to 2.25% from 2.30% from 2020.

Greece remains the alliance's biggest spender as a share of GDP, contributing 3.59%.

The US (3.57%) stays second with Poland (2.34%) third and Croatia, Estonia and Latvia (2.16%) joint-fifth.

Lithuania rounds off the nations hitting the GDP target, with a spend of 2.03%.

After dropping below the 2% guideline, France (1.93%) is ninth and Romania (1.88%) is 10th.

Luxembourg (0.54%) props up the proportional spending table with Spain (1.03%) and Belgium (1.07) making up the bottom three.

Two places above Belgium is Canada (1.36%), while Italy (1.54%), Germany (1.49%), the Netherlands (1.45%) and Denmark (1.40%) are all among the nations below the guideline.

Iceland, which does not have any armed forces, was not featured on the list.

Formed in the aftermath of the Second World War, NATO's original goals were to secure peace in Europe, promote co-operation among its members and counter the threat posed by the USSR, also known as the Soviet Union.

https://www.forces.net/news/world/nato-which-countries-pay-their-share-defence

During the 2014 summit, all NATO members agreed to spend at least 2% of their GDPs on defense by 2025. In 2017, only four nations met the threshold: The United States (3.6%), Greece (2.4%), the United Kingdom (2.1%), and Poland (2.0%). However, by 2021, ten countries were meeting the percentage target.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nato-spending-by-country

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