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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Fear and demographics are the mix.

Demographics mean more students chasing similar seat totals at the top 100 or so. Add TO and DEI into the mix and that is a big reason.

Fear is bigger though. Fear is what makes families buy into the top 30, top 50 BS - which in turn makes them push for higher grades/scores, more tutors, more everything - especially more applications.

One of the greatest cons in society is that a certain type or tier of college is needed to “make it”. It’s simply not true as studies have shown.[/quote]

100%  Just take a look at your co-workers, and the executives/uppermanagement at your company.  Odds are 75%+ did NOT attend an "elite" university.  Odds are you work side by side with some who attended an elite U and yet they are in the same position as you with approximately similar years of experience.  
Fact is those who are striving for a T25 and have the resume most likely also have the drive and determination and will achieve high success at State U ranked 150 just as much as if they attend a T25.  It's the person and the work they put in, not the university for 99% of it.  
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I'm a Fed GS-14 with undergrad and masters from a VA public university.  My entering co-worker class (back in 1995) were all 10 years older than me and most were PhDs from Ivies and private universities. We are all in the same place.  Actually, I'm ahead because I started my Fed career at 25 (now 54) and they started later and have longer until retirement.[/quote]

I don't understand your point.  This would imply that you were the lone standout, but you had a much higher chance of getting the position if you came from an Ivy or top private.[/quote]

No, (DP) it would indicate that they entered the workforce with only a Master's degree from a Public U (not T25) and got the same job as Ivy grads with PHDs---govt so they all started with same pay.  So at 10 years younger, the PP started the same job with the same pay as people with 10 years more experience and a T25 degree.  It exactly proves the point that it doesn't matter where you got your degree.  Their elite/T25 degree did not get them anything more than the person "with a lowly degree from a public state U" (sarcasm folks).  And that's the case for the majority of people.  Outside of investment banking and private equity jobs, it largely does not matter where you got your degree.  Even in Tech, FAANG companies hire from more than elite/T25 universities, people from GMU get hired as well (not even a T100 school).  So even for getting that first job, where you attend does not matter that much.  Smart people with drive make connections and build networks at state schools and use their networks wherever they are.  Upper management is not filled with people from T25 schools.  There are plenty of highly successful people from no-name universities.  My partner is an executive---on their team of 15 only 1 has a degree from an elite university.  Most have a degree from schools ranked BELOW 150, some really obscure no-names included. Yet somehow they made it to the E-suite.  They are all mulit-millionaires due to their hard work.  There are even 2 who actually do NOT even have a completed college degree, yet they have worked their asses off and proven themselves and moved up (known one for 20+ years and had no clue until recently they hadn't completed college).  [/quote]

The factual info presented is probably correct but the analysis is flawed.

Let us say that only 20% of the top positions at whatever "top" companies or industries are from the Top 20 schools. 80% are of top positions are filled by students from non Top 20 schools. Top 20 schools graduate less than 1% of graduates yet they would hold 20% of the top positions.

So even if you do not need to go to a Top 20 school to get into a top position, the student outcomes in terms of income/top positions is 20x better for a Top 20 school student than a student who is not going to Top 20 school.

There is a popular college book that noted that 80% of CEO did not go to Ivy schools and came to the conclusion that the school you go do does not matter. The Ivy's graduate less than 0.5% of students and they make up 20% of CEO's. So your chances are 40x higher going to an Ivy than a non-Ivy.[/quote]

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