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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Every time someone brings up the nonsensical argument about the best athletes go to football and basketball etc 
You better present the data that shows the results of athletic testing when the kids were young before they chose their sport.

You also need to explain why you only pick wide receivers and corner backs. 
All soccer players are athletic and agile. Not just 2 positions.

How are the Charles Barkley, Shaq etc more athletic than any member of any MLS team?

Soccer players aren't training for years to wear pads and run into each other. [/quote]

The PP put out some sensible data using speed only.  You can define athletic however you want and then distort a point of view.

The inescapable fact is that USA does not win World Cup or place large professionals in soccers top leagues.   Why is that?  the USA has its best athletes in soccer yet they lose solely because of a lack of technical skill and tactics?

Tyreek Hill is a better athlete than any USMNT player.   Period.  Make of it what you will. [/quote]

I'll make of you comment that there are levels to soccer knowledge and you're on the lower rungs.

The One Thing all international commentators and analysts agree on about US Soccer National Team is that Athleticism and Physicality is High.
But of course, that's not the holy grail for soccer success at the top levels.

What makes Tyreek Hill a better athlete than Mbappe? 
He is a better American Football player.

Can Tyreek Hill score an Overhead Bicycle Kick from a ball crossed behind him?[/quote]

Your comment: 
A. Denigrate the other poster intelligence and knowledge
B. Note that US soccer is “high” at athleticism
C. Note that Tyreek Hill and Kylian Mbappe are comparable in athleticism
D. Ask if Tyreek can match Garnacho’s kick

My reply: 
A. Pass
B. High yes elite no.   Name the top US athlete in soccer and they are not in the top 50 in world 
C. Yes.  Unfortunately Tyreek is an American and Kylian is not.   That’s the point so thanks for reinforcing it. 
D. I very much doubt Tyreek could apply his athleticism in a game to technical skill he has never learned.  Much as I doubt Kylian could catch a ball knowing he will be hit and being hit.   Again this is not the point.   The point is the beat US athletes are not drawn to soccer like the rest of the world is to it.

Christian McCaffrey is an Olympic speed guy and descended from same but he wants to play football not soccer.   Mccaffrey has better athleticism than Pulisic etc.   simply true. [/quote]

Name the country/countries considered to be more athletic than America in International soccer?

Swap Mbappe's name for Adams, Pulisic, Aarononson

So you're proving how silly it is to claim the attributes a wide receiver trains to enhance makes him more naturally athletic than another athlete who doesn't train for said attributes.

Being better at Long Jump doesn't make you more athletic than a High Jumper because you can jump further horizontally. [/quote]

You’ve lost the argument train here.  Long jumpers such as Jesse Owes Carl Lewis etc over the years are considered more athletic than high jumpers.  So  the point is not well made. Maybe triple jump would work better. [/quote]

So you're saying Long Jump vs Triple Jump to claim who's more talented proves how silly your NFL vs MLS better athlete narrative is?
Fine. We accept. [/quote]

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